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The Doomsday Clock - pbrower2a - 01-26-2017
I knew that President Donald Trump would make the world much more dangerous. This is not solely an American concern.
The Doomsday Clock Is Reset: Closest To Midnight Since The 1950s
January 26, 201710:08 AM ET
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The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists announced during a news conference Thursday that its advisory group is moving the Doomsday Clock 30 seconds closer to midnight.
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
The minute hand on the Doomsday Clock ticked closer to midnight Wednesday, as the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists said it's seeing an increase in dangers to humanity, from climate change to nuclear warfare. The group took the "unprecedented" step of moving the clock 30 seconds closer to midnight, to leave it at 2 1/2 minutes away.
The setting is the closest the clock has come to midnight since 1953, when scientists moved it to two minutes from midnight after seeing both the U.S. and the Soviet Union test hydrogen bombs. It remained at that mark until 1960.
"Make no mistake, this has been a difficult year," Rachel Bronson, executive director and publisher of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, said as the new setting was announced Thursday.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511592700/the-doomsday-clock-is-now-30-seconds-closer-to-midnight
RE: The Doomsday Clock - Ragnarök_62 - 01-27-2017
(01-26-2017, 09:19 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: I'm not sure their considerations are the same as mine but the end result is similar.
By abdicating leadership of the free world, embracing naive utopian isolationism (which is no better and actually worse than naive utopian globalism), and using a real estate bully mentality as a sad excuse for diplomacy, the US is setting the stage for extreme adventurism on the parts of anti Western fiends.
Pearl Harbor was pretty bad but the thermonuclear version will definitely ruin your day.
Thermonuclear war = major eocide.
And.... Video required!!!!!!!
Välkomna til ragnarök.RE: The Doomsday Clock - The Wonkette - 01-30-2017
(01-26-2017, 06:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I knew that President Donald Trump would make the world much more dangerous. This is not solely an American concern.I'm surprised it wasn't set closer during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The Doomsday Clock Is Reset: Closest To Midnight Since The 1950s
January 26, 201710:08 AM ET
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists announced during a news conference Thursday that its advisory group is moving the Doomsday Clock 30 seconds closer to midnight.
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
The minute hand on the Doomsday Clock ticked closer to midnight Wednesday, as the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists said it's seeing an increase in dangers to humanity, from climate change to nuclear warfare. The group took the "unprecedented" step of moving the clock 30 seconds closer to midnight, to leave it at 2 1/2 minutes away.
The setting is the closest the clock has come to midnight since 1953, when scientists moved it to two minutes from midnight after seeing both the U.S. and the Soviet Union test hydrogen bombs. It remained at that mark until 1960.
"Make no mistake, this has been a difficult year," Rachel Bronson, executive director and publisher of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, said as the new setting was announced Thursday.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511592700/the-doomsday-clock-is-now-30-seconds-closer-to-midnight
RE: The Doomsday Clock - pbrower2a - 01-30-2017
But Khrushchev and Kennedy were adults in charge. In any event the Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved quickly and fairly, an indication that such danger as existed did not last long enough to reset the Doomsday Clock.
Donald Trump is not my idea of a mature adult.
RE: The Doomsday Clock - Eric the Green - 11-21-2017
I don't know if it means doomsday or not, but in the wake of the Fall of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union, along with many western dictators, in 1991 we thought we had entered a new world order of peace and democracy.
Now the list of nations that have fallen into abject chaos and deadly destruction is long.
Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan
Palestine/Israel
Libya
Greece
Turkey
Russia, and the former Soviet Republics in Asia
Ukraine
Pakistan
Thailand
The Phillippines
Yemen
North Korea
South Sudan
Mali
Chad
Zimbabwe
Kenya
Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia
Nigeria, Niger, etc.
Guinea, Liberia, etc.
The United States of America, including Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands
Brazil
Haiti
Venezuela
Vanuatu
Kiribati, Tonga, Fiji, etc.
The European Union, beset with rising right-wing movements or regimes
Spain/Catalonia
Balanced against this mounting chaos, is progress in economic prosperity and a rising middle class in great nations in Asia like China and India, but China is still an authoritarian state. The Americas are still democratic and relatively peaceful, but with rising tensions, and breakdowns in places. The European Union is holding, but may be losing its edge and its liberality. The USA is still in question.
RE: The Doomsday Clock - pbrower2a - 11-21-2017
Add to this that we are dealing badly with the end of scarcity. What just about anyone would have seen as a boon twenty, let alone a hundred, years ago, has become a monstrosity.
RE: The Doomsday Clock - pbrower2a - 01-15-2018
It looks as if Hawaii got a big doomsday scare yesterday (January 14, 2018). There might be some interesting conclusions to draw from the human response. Hawaii is far from a microcosm of America, but it is still part of America.
RE: The Doomsday Clock - bobc - 01-28-2018
The decision to set the doomsday clock was a political statement as part of the "resistance".
The 3rd Turning decisions to defer a crisis conflict between the US and North Korea has now resulted in a time to confront the issue.
The strong resolute confrontation by President Trump has a better chance of a peaceful resolution than the kicking the can down the road approach of his predecessors.
Would you like North Korea to have an effective ICBM ability to attack the US?
RE: The Doomsday Clock - David Horn - 01-29-2018
(01-28-2018, 07:05 PM)bobc Wrote: The decision to set the doomsday clock was a political statement as part of the "resistance".
The 3rd Turning decisions to defer a crisis conflict between the US and North Korea has now resulted in a time to confront the issue.
The strong resolute confrontation by President Trump has a better chance of a peaceful resolution than the kicking the can down the road approach of his predecessors.
Would you like North Korea to have an effective ICBM ability to attack the US?
If that means that several million South Koreans get slaughtered by DPRK artillery, then the trade off is unacceptable.
RE: The Doomsday Clock - pbrower2a - 01-29-2018
(01-28-2018, 07:05 PM)bobc Wrote: The decision to set the doomsday clock was a political statement as part of the "resistance".
The 3rd Turning decisions to defer a crisis conflict between the US and North Korea has now resulted in a time to confront the issue.
The strong resolute confrontation by President Trump has a better chance of a peaceful resolution than the kicking the can down the road approach of his predecessors.
Would you like North Korea to have an effective ICBM ability to attack the US?
3T behavior intended to defer danger in a 4T tends to come at a cost of worsening the eventual conflict. I think of the unwillingness of countries to protest the mistreatment of Jews in Nazi Germany before the Holocaust even where Jews were a significant part of the population (Netherlands, Belgium, France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Norway, and Greece, all of which would lose great numbers of their Jews to the Holocaust). Qui tacet consentit.
The fault is that 3T thought badly suits the reality of a Crisis. I can think of a solution in Korea that would satisfy all interested parties of the Korean Conflict which has never ended in law, as there is no peace treaty. For example, South Korea and the People's Republic of China (PRC) agree on a nuclear-free Korean peninsula. Sure, the PRC is armed to the teeth, but South Korea does not allow American nuclear weapons within its borders. I think that South Korea would be perfectly content with a puppet state of the PRC beyond its demilitarized zone and would collaborate with the PRC to that end.
It is not reasonable to expect any country to see its people less precious than those of some other country.
Donald Trump is very much an out-of-season character, pushing rampant nationalism when international solidarity is precious. He supports the intensification of economic inequality and the concentration of wealth and income. He is a military blusterer even if he knows even less about military affairs than does the usual combat veteran but pretends to be more knowledgeable than everyone else because he is the Great Donald Trump. He sees the profit and his glory in war and not the suffering.
RE: The Doomsday Clock - bobc - 01-30-2018
(01-29-2018, 10:44 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Donald Trump is very much an out-of-season character, pushing rampant nationalism when international solidarity is precious.
Not out of season at all. In this 4th Turning there is a conflict between national interest, versus submerging each nation into a corrupt violent global rule.
Many of us in the US want to keep our national independence, created for us in the 4th Turning back in the 1770's and 1780's.