(05-26-2017, 09:55 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: The 1st Amendment is nothing without the 2nd Amendment.

If you have not already done so, exercise your 2nd Amendment rights to the greatest extent your finances and time allow.

At a minimum, if you can afford it, here is what you need:

1) A close quarters combat rifle. This can be a carbine or longer gun. In this case, ease of handling, rapidity of reloading, and cost of ammo are the key considerations. Given the short engagement distances, ballistics are not as important. In terms of caliber, you should look at .227 to .300.

2) A longer range, more accurate rifle, with optics. This does not need to be a sniper rifle per se. But it does need a reasonable degree of accuracy, easy ability to mount optics, and ergonomics allowing aiming to be easy. Caliber will be .300 or higher. Where legal and if you can afford it, .50 is not unreasonable.

3) A side arm. This is a very personal matter. Most opt for a semi automatic in the 1911 pattern or a Glock. However, if wheel guns are your thing, no problem. For stopping power choose 9MM or higher. Beware of the more powerful ammo, as recoil can become an issue especially if you have smaller hands and are of limited stature.

Beyond these basics, you may also want to consider a semi automatic shot gun. Such arms have seen a vast increase in usage in modern combat theaters and tactical policing.

For more info you can find a plethora of info and videos on line.

Welcome to the world of being a shooter and exercising your Civil Rights.

(05-26-2017, 01:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Remember, all this is moot. If the 1st amendment is not being upheld, as in the case in Montana, then the constitution is moot. The 2nd amendment does not protect your right to bear arms, in that case.

If we must secede from a nation that is trending fascist, then we may need to make sure that CA has the wherewithal to turn back an invasion by the fascists. That will require much more than armed citizens.

(05-26-2017, 01:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(05-26-2017, 09:55 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: The 1st Amendment is nothing without the 2nd Amendment.

If you have not already done so, exercise your 2nd Amendment rights to the greatest extent your finances and time allow.

At a minimum, if you can afford it, here is what you need:

1) A close quarters combat rifle. This can be a carbine or longer gun. In this case, ease of handling, rapidity of reloading, and cost of ammo are the key considerations. Given the short engagement distances, ballistics are not as important. In terms of caliber, you should look at .227 to .300.

2) A longer range, more accurate rifle, with optics. This does not need to be a sniper rifle per se. But it does need a reasonable degree of accuracy, easy ability to mount optics, and ergonomics allowing aiming to be easy. Caliber will be .300 or higher. Where legal and if you can afford it, .50 is not unreasonable.

3) A side arm. This is a very personal matter. Most opt for a semi automatic in the 1911 pattern or a Glock. However, if wheel guns are your thing, no problem. For stopping power choose 9MM or higher. Beware of the more powerful ammo, as recoil can become an issue especially if you have smaller hands and are of limited stature.

Beyond these basics, you may also want to consider a semi automatic shot gun. Such arms have seen a vast increase in usage in modern combat theaters and tactical policing.

For more info you can find a plethora of info and videos on line.

Welcome to the world of being a shooter and exercising your Civil Rights.

Remember, all this is moot. If the 1st amendment is not being upheld, as in the case in Montana, then the constitution is moot. The 2nd amendment does not protect your right to bear arms, in that case.

If we must secede from a nation that is trending fascist, then we may need to make sure that CA has the wherewithal to turn back an invasion by the fascists. That will require much more than armed citizens.

CNN Wrote:Fareed Zakaria said Saturday that though many liberals think they are tolerant, often they aren't.

Zakaria noted that "at the height of commencement season," many new graduates across the country had made their political views apparent, from the Notre Dame students who walked out as Vice President Mike Pence gave his commencement address to the crowd members who booed Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos during a speech at Bethune-Cookman University.

"American universities seem committed to every kind of diversity except intellectual diversity. Conservative voices and views are being silenced entirely," Zakaria said.

(05-29-2017, 04:22 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN reports on a claim by Fareed Zakaria that liberals are intolerant.

CNN Wrote:Fareed Zakaria said Saturday that though many liberals think they are tolerant, often they aren't.

Zakaria noted that "at the height of commencement season," many new graduates across the country had made their political views apparent, from the Notre Dame students who walked out as Vice President Mike Pence gave his commencement address to the crowd members who booed Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos during a speech at Bethune-Cookman University.

"American universities seem committed to every kind of diversity except intellectual diversity. Conservative voices and views are being silenced entirely," Zakaria said.

I'm not sure this is right.  Conservatives were given opportunity to speak.  The Notre Dame students didn't have to listen.  The Bethune-Cookman students spoke back.  There might be an error in liberals inviting in people who will say what the students don't want to hear.

Or is that a mistake?  A lot of the problem is nobody listening to the other guy.  Once a partisan latches on to a world view, he'll reject the opposite, often not listening just in case something new is offered.  Given what Pence or DeVos generally have to say, it's not surprising that well educated kids are apt to reject it.

Is it intolerance if one has a strong opinion and rejects the opposite opinion?  There is sure a lot of opinions and rejection, in America, and on this forum.

(05-29-2017, 04:22 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN reports on a claim by Fareed Zakaria that liberals are intolerant.

CNN Wrote:Fareed Zakaria said Saturday that though many liberals think they are tolerant, often they aren't.

Zakaria noted that "at the height of commencement season," many new graduates across the country had made their political views apparent, from the Notre Dame students who walked out as Vice President Mike Pence gave his commencement address to the crowd members who booed Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos during a speech at Bethune-Cookman University.

"American universities seem committed to every kind of diversity except intellectual diversity. Conservative voices and views are being silenced entirely," Zakaria said.

I'm not sure this is right.  Conservatives were given opportunity to speak.  The Notre Dame students didn't have to listen.  The Bethune-Cookman students spoke back.  There might be an error in liberals inviting in people who will say what the students don't want to hear.

Or is that a mistake?  A lot of the problem is nobody listening to the other guy.  Once a partisan latches on to a world view, he'll reject the opposite, often not listening just in case something new is offered.  Given what Pence or DeVos generally have to say, it's not surprising that well educated kids are apt to reject it.

Is it intolerance if one has a strong opinion and rejects the opposite opinion?  There is sure a lot of opinions and rejection, in America, and on this forum.

Thomas Jefferson Wrote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

(05-30-2017, 11:39 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(05-29-2017, 02:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: This is what Trump, Gianforte and Company are creating. May God the Great Spirit bless these 2 great heroes in their journey beyond this life, and my blessings to the surviving hero.

‘Final act of bravery’: Men who were fatally stabbed trying to stop anti-Muslim rants identified
By Amy B Wang May 27
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2 men killed after trying to stop anti-Muslim rant

Two men were stabbed to death and one injured Friday on a light-rail train in Portland, Ore., after they tried to intervene when another passenger began “ranting and raving” and shouting anti-Muslim hate speech at two young women, police said.

Portland police on Saturday identified the two slain victims as 53-year-old Ricky John Best and 23-year-old Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche.

A third victim, 21-year-old Micah David-Cole Fletcher, is being treated for non-life-threatening injuries, police said.

According to witnesses, a white male passenger riding an eastbound MAX train early Friday afternoon began yelling what “would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions,” police said. Some of the slurs were directed at two female passengers, one of whom was wearing a hijab, according to police.

“This suspect was on the train and he was yelling and ranting and raving a lot of different things, including what we characterized at hate speech or biased language,” Portland police spokesman Pete Simpson said at a news conference Friday evening.

At least two men tried to calm the ranting passenger down, but “they were attacked viciously by the suspect” when they did, Simpson said.

“It appears preliminarily that the victims — at least a couple of them — were trying to intervene in his behavior, deescalate him and protect some other people on the train when [the suspect] viciously attacked them,” Simpson said.

About 4:30 p.m. Friday, police responded to calls of a disturbance at the Hollywood Transit Station in east Portland. There, they found three stabbing victims, all adult men. Despite attempted lifesaving measures, Best, a resident of Happy Valley, Ore., was pronounced dead at the scene, police said.

Namkai Meche, of southeast Portland, died at a local hospital; Fletcher, of southeast Portland, is expected to survive, police said Saturday.

The Oregon State Medical Examiner is conducting autopsies on Best and Namkai Meche and expected to release results late Saturday afternoon, according to police.

Based on witnesses’ statements, officers on Friday were able to locate and arrest the suspect, who had fled the train on foot.

Police identified the suspect early Saturday morning as 35-year-old Jeremy Joseph Christian, of north Portland. Christian is being held without bail on two counts of aggravated murder, one count of attempted murder, two counts of intimidation in the second degree and one count of possession of a restricted weapon as a felon.


The stabbing attack shocked the city.

“It’s horrific. There’s no other word to describe what happened today,” Simpson said Friday. “It is simply horrible.”

[‘Brave and selfless’ Oregon stabbing victims hailed as heroes for standing up to racist rants]

The attack shut down the Hollywood Transit Station and Portland MAX trains in both directions for several hours Friday evening.

Simpson noted then that several passengers, including the two young women thought to be the target of the man’s anti-Muslim slurs, had left the train after the stabbings. He urged any witnesses to come forward to give statements to police. Simpson added that it did not appear that the suspect or the victims had any relationship with one another.

“We don’t know if (the suspect) has mental-health issues or was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or all of the above,” Simpson said. “With this incident, we’re obviously in early stages of the investigation.”

According to the Associated Press, the FBI and U.S. Attorney for Oregon will work with Portland police on the case. The FBI said it’s too early to say whether the killings qualify as a federal hate crime but U.S. Attorney Billy Williams said Saturday, “There’s a day of reckoning coming, a day of accountability,” the AP reported.

The attacks occurred just as Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, was set to commence at sunset Friday. Simpson said that Portland police had already reached out to Muslim organizations, mosques and imams in the community to talk about extra patrols during Ramadan — and that those extra patrols would continue.

“Our thoughts are with the Muslim community,” Simpson said Friday. “As something like this happens, this only instills fear in that community.”

[Suspected attacker Jeremy Joseph Christian stood out amid rising tensions in Portland]

On Saturday, people mourned the stabbing victims and praised them as heroes for their actions. Namkai Meche’s sister, Vajra Alaya-Maitreya, emailed a statement to The Washington Post on behalf of their family, saying her brother lived “a joyous and full life” with an enthusiasm that was infectious.

“We lost him in a senseless act that brought close to home the insidious rift of prejudice and intolerance that is too familiar, too common. He was resolute in his conduct (and) respect of all people,” she wrote. “In his final act of bravery, he held true to what he believed is the way forward. He will live in our hearts forever as the just, brave, loving, hilarious and beautiful soul he was. We ask that in honor of his memory, we use this tragedy as an opportunity for reflection and change. We choose love.”

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler on Saturday said, “Their actions were brave and selfless and should serve as an example, an inspiration to us all,” the AP reported.

By Saturday afternoon, a GoFundMe campaign called “Tri Met Heroes” set up for the victims’ families had raised more than $30,000. A GoFundMe spokesman confirmed to The Post that the company would ensure funds are sent to the victim’s families.

The attack prompted a slew of outraged responses Friday from Oregon residents and lawmakers, as well as nationally.

And another reason to pack heat. Duginist thugs don't like how you're dressed or how you look. They try to knife you. Knife, meet supersonic, or at very least high subsonic, lead.