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Thread: Why the social dynamics viewpoint to the Strauss-Howe generational theory is wrong
Post: RE: Why the social dynamics viewpoint to the Strau...
| I do understand Strauss & Howe's claims about the social dynamics, but I don't believe the generations are the way they are because of historical events. I believe the generations are the way they... |
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06-04-2020, 10:19 AM |
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Thread: COVID-19 is the climax to this 4T
Post: RE: COVID-19 is the climax to this 4T
| It's easy to see from the stat below that in the US the divide begun around 2008, not after 9/11, since the ideological divide was still tolerable in 2004.
[Image: https://jannemiettinen.fi/FourthTur... |
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03-24-2020, 03:05 PM |
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Thread: COVID-19 is the climax to this 4T
Post: RE: COVID-19 is the climax to this 4T
| (03-22-2020, 05:01 PM)Drakus79 Wrote: I think we're way past the point of it being the catalyst of this 4T. That's like saying the attack on pearl harbor in 1941 was the catalyst for the last 4T. ... |
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03-24-2020, 11:48 AM |
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Thread: COVID-19 is the climax to this 4T
Post: RE: COVID-19 is the climax to this 4T
| The coronavirus is a massive catalyst. It will increase stress levels in a similar manner as the Great Depression, but much deeper into the cycle.
I could be that there seems to be some unity, but un... |
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03-22-2020, 03:10 PM |
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Thread: Fourth Turning is Here! And no one is here!
Post: RE: Fourth Turning is Here! And no one is here!
| (03-21-2020, 09:04 AM)David Horn Wrote: The most active discussion is on an invitation-only Facebook group.
I'd be very interested in joining this group. Here's my account if you're able to invite... |
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03-22-2020, 04:02 AM |
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Thread: Why the social dynamics viewpoint to the Strauss-Howe generational theory is wrong
Post: Why the social dynamics viewpoint to the Strauss-H...
| Let me be clear here: I do believe that the generational traits and the turnings are real. But I do not believe that the social dynamics model can explain them. Generations do not "realize" things and... |
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Theories Of History |
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03-21-2020, 04:54 AM |
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Thread: Fourth Turning is Here! And no one is here!
Post: RE: Fourth Turning is Here! And no one is here!
| I just started a new thread on Reddit on trying to solve the real roots of the generational cycle, that's actually detectable in other animal populations other than humans too.
This forum is quite de... |
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03-20-2020, 03:38 PM |
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Thread: Theory: cyclical generational hormone levels behind the four turnings and archetypes
Post: RE: Theory: cyclical generational hormone levels b...
| The theory has now been checked by a professor of neurobiology and also a professor of evolutionary psychology, and both largely agreed with the premises of the theory.
So if someone doubted the beha... |
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Theories Of History |
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03-16-2020, 06:17 AM |
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Thread: Theory: the 'turnings' are caused by generationally oscillating hormone levels
Post: Theory: the 'turnings' are caused by generationall...
| Here is the greatly improved generational hormone theory that is based on the Strauss-Howe generational theory: https://jannemiettinen.fi/FourthTurning/
What's different to before is that the sex hor... |
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01-20-2020, 01:37 PM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| Bill, do you belive wars require abstract thinking? Chimpanzees can go to war that can last for several years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
Humans are not the only animals that ... |
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10-20-2019, 07:48 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (10-20-2019, 05:23 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: (10-11-2019, 09:33 AM)Ldr Wrote: I agree, Bill, but it is important to notice that all of the concepts you mentioned hold true for animals too, although... |
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10-20-2019, 05:31 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| Eric, I understand why you would interpret my words as cynicism, but let me explain this once more to be more clear.
I believe that vasopressin levels are on the rise during a 4th turning, and as vas... |
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10-18-2019, 04:17 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| I agree, Bill, but it is important to notice that all of the concepts you mentioned hold true for animals too, although humanism is obviously replaced with the correct species name.
It is a bit diffi... |
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10-11-2019, 09:33 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (10-08-2019, 05:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Single explanations always fail. It is a mark of insecurity on your part to attribute everything to one factor...
And it's impossible to attribute differ... |
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10-09-2019, 02:51 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (10-08-2019, 11:19 AM)tg63 Wrote: (10-05-2019, 11:26 AM)Ldr Wrote: ... This is why I never believed in the reasoning of the Strauss-Howe generational theory. ...
Just curious (and if you've addre... |
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10-09-2019, 01:56 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (10-06-2019, 11:11 AM)pbrower2 Wrote: Do people create the society or does the society take over the role? The generational mechanism may itself prevent ossification of a culture and class relations... |
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10-06-2019, 01:54 PM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (09-29-2019, 08:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The Saeculum is troublesome, but I can imagine far worse, as in a society that goes off in a way that becomes increasingly inhuman and destructive over time. T... |
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10-05-2019, 11:26 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (09-26-2019, 01:33 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: If the same hormone stirs both left and right, in your view, then it just proves that hormones explain very little about actual human behavior, besides be... |
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09-29-2019, 06:43 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| I totally agree, pbrower2a.
You described well why mostly the 4th turning crises are so problematic, and the reason is the heightened social tensions + (often) demands for flatter social hierarchy. H... |
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09-25-2019, 12:56 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (09-24-2019, 05:48 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: ...the desire for justice and equal opportunity for all is caused by some other hormone condition than the fear of those who are different.
Actually, it ... |
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09-24-2019, 08:06 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (09-23-2019, 11:07 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Hormones the cause of everything human and animal? I don't even think scientists would agree with such a one-cause interpretation... Jung certainly did no... |
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09-24-2019, 02:01 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| Mikebert,
Look at the casualties and you will see that the vast majority has occurred close to the ending of 4th turnings. And then look at the scale, it's logarithmic, which enforces the fact that d... |
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09-21-2019, 07:58 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (09-20-2019, 03:44 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Are hormones cause or effect of the times?
Would hormones tell us why we elected in turn Bill Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and (sort of) Trump as President? Would... |
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09-20-2019, 07:48 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (09-19-2019, 02:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: My point of view is that causality in the mechanical/biological sense is no longer necessary to establish the validity of a cycle. Correspondences in time... |
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09-20-2019, 02:26 AM |
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Thread: What are your specialities?
Post: RE: What are your specialities?
| (09-17-2019, 06:43 PM)Mikebert Wrote: A couple of observations. Generations are not typically 20 years long. If you look at the first three S&H saecula (1435-1746) they average 25.9 years in len... |
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09-18-2019, 11:53 AM |
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