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(11-22-2016, 04:12 PM)Galen Wrote: (11-22-2016, 10:58 AM)playwrite Wrote: (11-16-2016, 04:38 PM)Galen Wrote: (11-16-2016, 01:49 PM)playwrite Wrote: (11-16-2016, 03:06 AM)Galen Wrote: I am pretty sure that he can and the protesters are all in the heavily Democratic urban areas that went for Hillary. In other words, you are annoying your own people. From the point of view of flyover country its just a bunch of Millies having a hissy-fit.
And so did the t-baggers start in their Red zone backyards.
Everybody gets a turn in the barrel eventually.
Funny thing about the Tea Party protests, which were very large, is that they cleaned up after themselves and didn't destroy property. The Occupy protests left quite a mess when they were done and the current set of protests have destroyed quite a bit of property and left a mess behind. In a rural area these people would have ended up in jail but in Portland for some reason the prosecutor is not pressing charges.
You measure the validity of a protest by its tidiness???
How bizarre and sophmoric.
I guess one of the reasons that Libertarians can't sell their junk.
Not necessarily but it tells me that I am not dealing with a bunch of spoiled snowflakes throwing a fit so I might be more inclined to listen. The Tea Party protesters were tired of having all of their money stolen by the government and wasted. Not wanting to be looted seems like a good reason to protest.
Let's put aside your being misinformed that federal taxes actually pay for any federal spending, wasted or otherwise.
And just note that your throwing your lot in with the ones carrying signs - "Keep the government's socialist hands off my Medicare" - because they tidy up.
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Man oh man, but there's a lot of bullshit floating around.
I get it, that Trump is a steaming pile. No doubt about that. Anyone with any sense of civility, decency, maturity and restraint can see that.
However, does all this speculation get us anywhere? Does conjuring up worst-case scenarios prepare us somehow to work against what actually happens, when it actually does happen?
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Maybe, Tim. It might prepare us for steps we might have to actually take down the road. However I understand that it may be too pessimistic a view, and that we can muddle through the next 4 or more years without a break-up.
As you know, decades ago I predicted that such things might be on the table in these years. How we handle this 4T neo-civil war era is yet to be seen. I have always thought that it could be handled with far less violence this time, and that if the people of the USA really want to divide up their divided nation, that they will be allowed to do so, this time.
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What states, or contiguous collections of states, are economically viable? New York/New Jersey/New England, of course. Washington, Oregon, and California singly or together. Not Virginia or Maryland, full of government employees. Illinois -- except that the liberal zone is Chicagoland and the rest is about as right-wing as rural Texas. Minnesota? It would need to combine with Wisconsin... not likely if Scott Walker is Gauleiter. Colorado? New Mexico? Certainly not.
Anything is possible in America, including nuclear attacks in a civil war and Soviet-style gulags. At some point many will accept that it is better to work seventy-hour workweeks for the Master Class (thirty of those hours unpaid for the purpose of creating enough wealth to Make America Great Again) than to be murdered.
If Donald Trump becomes as horrible a leader as I imagine in the worst possible scenario -- and not simply muddled and incompetent -- then the best hope for America to get back freedom and dignity for the masses is for America to lose its next big war and have the whole rotten order toppled, whether by a popular insurrection or the dictates of the victors.
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(01-28-2017, 06:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: ![[Image: 16195616_10210562031959968_2228169299386...e=590E1CEA]](https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/16195616_10210562031959968_2228169299386524150_n.jpg?oh=2f24072e50dd7ac8a60497be05adc668&oe=590E1CEA)
-- so is AK part of Jay-zusland or is it its own soverign nation?
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AK continues to be detached as it is now; although the connection to the red America by sea would be cut off.
Unless the split remains hostile, probably the new nations would establish trade relations and military alliances, just as Canada is a NATO ally and has free trade with the USA now.
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(01-28-2017, 07:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: AK continues to be detached as it is now; although the connection to the red America by sea would be cut off.
Unless the split remains hostile, probably the new nations would establish trade relations and military alliances, just as Canada is a NATO ally and has free trade with the USA now.
-- l'd put VA in J-land too. Only reason they went blue is bcuz Kaine was on the ticket
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(01-28-2017, 06:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
I have an even better idea. Mexico es pobre. I have no problems with helping our southern neighbor with a nice healthy GDP boost. Here's a map I like.
![[Image: 20170127_map.jpg]](http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/01/23/20170127_map.jpg)
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(01-28-2017, 08:15 PM)nihilist moron Wrote: Eric, will you be out collecting signatures for the initiative?
You're back! Please stay!
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(01-28-2017, 08:15 PM)nihilist moron Wrote: Eric, will you be out collecting signatures for the initiative?
I don't know exactly what I'll be doing against Trump and for justice. I have suffered a major tragedy in my life, so I might not be doing much for a while. 
I did join the Women's march in San Jose Jan.21, largest protest march ever in this city; and even the small youth Disrupt march the day before, as I discussed here.
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Or We could go back to how it was, couldn't we? James K Polk, roll over.
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(01-28-2017, 09:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Or We could go back to how it was, couldn't we? James K Polk, roll over.
-- that caption is wrong. By 1848 TX had already been a soverign nation & was then a state, having joined in 1845. Mebbe 1828 or 1818
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(01-29-2017, 03:34 AM)Marypoza Wrote: (01-28-2017, 09:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Or We could go back to how it was, couldn't we? James K Polk, roll over.
-- that caption is wrong. By 1848 TX had already been a sovereign nation & was then a state, having joined in 1845. Mebbe 1828 or 1818
Yes, 1835.
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(01-29-2017, 06:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (01-29-2017, 03:34 AM)Marypoza Wrote: (01-28-2017, 09:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Or We could go back to how it was, couldn't we? James K Polk, roll over.
-- that caption is wrong. By 1848 TX had already been a sovereign nation & was then a state, having joined in 1845. Mebbe 1828 or 1818
Yes, 1835.
-- TX bcame it's own soveriegn little pisspot in 1835. 1834 or earlier
meanwhile back to the title of this thread. it's on:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...ign=buffer
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(01-29-2017, 09:09 PM)nihilist moron Wrote: Hehe ... SomeDude ... I was wondering what happened to you. 
RL called.
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(01-30-2017, 02:02 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: (01-28-2017, 06:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
Red would be actual Red in the classic sense. This would demarcate the new line between NATO and anti Western fiends. Silver lining. Less to worry about vis a vis our terrible situation with land based ICBMs. Short range would work at least in this AoO.
Anti-Western Fiends? Are you talking about nuking the red states? WTF is wrong with you? 
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(01-30-2017, 02:33 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: (01-30-2017, 02:02 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: (01-28-2017, 06:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
Red would be actual Red in the classic sense. This would demarcate the new line between NATO and anti Western fiends. Silver lining. Less to worry about vis a vis our terrible situation with land based ICBMs. Short range would work at least in this AoO.
Anti-Western Fiends? Are you talking about nuking the red states? WTF is wrong with you?
-- appears he wants to bomb Jay-susland. Which would be stoopid. We got most of the silos
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That's a scenario I hadn't thought of. The new USA "reds" might still hang on to Trump's cuddling up to Putin. I have my doubts on that; we've a ways to go before this scenario develops. Maybe even the red states will have enough of a traitor president. I don't think they are NATO haters. They are lost in many deceptive and reactionary ideas, but most in the red zone consider themselves American patriots and tend to be militaristic.
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