(01-19-2017, 05:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:[/quote](01-18-2017, 03:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:You assume that's what we are doing instead of what we are actually. Now explain why, I called Odin ( a known white poster) a welfare king and associated him with the welfare system (public assistance). Why I've said, welfare is no longer just associated with minorities its now applicable to whites too . Why I told, a white racist that his skin color didn't matter much to me as far as my opinion of him and his ideology. Who is actually blowing the dog whistle that you claim that we're blowing? Ain't me. I'm not the one making an effort to turn everything into race and drawing support of whites who have a racist view of whites that are similar to those of blacks and other races. I've never called you a racist even though you are associated with a lot of them (minority racists). Rani and I were good friends. What's your thing? Are you trying to start a race war or revolution to over throw our government? What do you think might happen to you if you found yourself stuck in the middle of a race war that you played a role in starting or a revolution of some sort? Do you think the American collective is going to remain idle? Do you think a pissed off racist minority group is going ask if you're a liberal or conservative before they bludgeon you? Dumb people do dumb things, say dumb things, associate themselves with dumb things, go along with dumb things with the hope of achieving something greater or better for themselves which smart people pick up on. Well, we have an idea as far as your amount of national appeal with the latest progressive stunt. You know that I don't care much for you, don't care much for the ideology that you represent or care much for the modern day progressives that you are associated with today. I must admit, I didn't care much for LBJ either. I must also admit, you paint a pretty picture as well. A pretty picture that covers up a lot of shit but unfortunately your pretty picture is unable to hide the stink.(01-18-2017, 09:59 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:(01-18-2017, 07:56 AM)Odin Wrote:(01-16-2017, 03:31 PM)The Wonkette Wrote: That is a very strong statement. I personally find it offensive to have taxpayers compared to slaves and welfare and entitlement recipients compared to slaveowners. Most people on welfare want to work, want to get off of welfare. And comparing taxpayers to slaves? Really???
I had to respond.
It's the whole white identity politics thing. A lot of conservatives associate public assistance with the myth of the "black welfare queen" and think "hard working white people" are being "exploited" by lazy minorities on welfare.
Consiidering we were talking about Medicare, it obviously nothing to do with race. As to welfare, most conservatives dislike the use of welfare as a style of life irrespective of race.
I agree with Odin on that one. Anti-welfare is the dog-whistle for white identity racism. Conservatives often claim otherwise, but your own posts Warren earlier revealed this. So do Classic's posts.
"Welfare as a style of life" is a revealing phrase too. The claim is that welfare creates a dependent style of life. Even though that kind of welfare went away in the 1990s, it is still the leading conservative talking point. Because it scores political points with closet racists and libertarian ideologues.
No, welfare is a protection for all of us against the greedy bosses, who will stop at nothing to fire us over nothing or take away our jobs. We will need it ever-more greatly, and as the Republican power grows, we have less and less protection from the greedy bosses who run our country. And now our new president (whom you voted for) is the leading exponent of this behavior, as exemplified by his favorite phrase, "you're fired!" Not to mention the leading practitioner of race-baiting.
In a nation with so much racial diversity as America, any 'race war' gets widespread derision as a concept. Those few who seek to start some racial war can expect suppression by the allies that they expect. They will either die in their failed uprising or be sentenced to life in prison or to death. Just think of what happened to the ludicrous Dylann Roof. Racial warfare reminds us too much of horror images collected by the victors after World War II.
What white people think of white people killing blacks, Hispanics, Asians, or whatever in racist violence applies also to those groups in question for their own bigoted killers.
...If people are peeved about general mistreatment of them, then they are unlikely to see the white race as the cause. Certain white people? Sure. But there are white people of conscience, and the worst oppression of people for race in America turned against the racist agenda of Southern racist reactionaries. But those racists who did the worst, including the bombers of the Eighth Street Baptist Church of Birmingham, Alabama, got infamy for their putrid cause.
The hazard is not ethnicity. The hazard is either a lack of a conscience or extreme fanaticism. If one cannot judge oneself for morals, one's cause for its validity, or one's means for their consequences then one is a menace.
Donald Trump shows many signs of being a disaster as President. He's bossy, thin-skinned, vulgar, insensitive, and cruel. He shows little respect for legal formalities and well-established decencies. His values are a rejection of those of practically a majority. He's a my-way-or-the-highway sort of leader, the sort of person whose authority people either rebel against or evade.
You are going to wish that even if America got a conservative President it would be someone else, like Romney, Kasich, or Jeb. Mark my words -- the next four years will be a time of frequent, brash demonstrations of mass dissent on issues from feminism to the environment. Destroy unions and you will get wildcat strikes. If you thought the 1960s were rough for LBJ, those rough times were mostly for one issue: his bungled war in Vietnam. I'm not saying that Donald Trump will get us into a war, but if he does it will not go well. With a President who knows more than the generals, intelligence experts, and diplomats, and who will contradict their counsel if such fails to jibe with his wishes, one can expect disaster once the surprise fades away. Contrast President Obama, who knew his limitations and treated the military and spy chiefs with respect -- and whose star event in foreign policy was to get Osama bin Laden whacked in a gangland-style hit.
This horrible man will stir up anti-American sentiment in places in which it does not now exist. Such is not good for national security.
I promise to not say "I told you so" when any of this happens.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.