What is our 4T contest about? Can we see it differently?

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(02-10-2017, 09:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [quote pid='21058' dateline='1486766751']
We need to take a stronger stand on the trade issue, and make clear that the blue side and progressives support the interests of workers; and yes that's worldwide. Not an anti-globalist movement, because that is pure Trumpism; combining justified opposition to corporate "free trade" with xenophobic and racism nationalism and neo-liberal policies. Anti-globalist is not the right meme or slogan at all if we want to create the movement that will help the people.

Justice, peace, freedom, equality of opportunity for all, fair trade and fair policies. That's positive. Anti neo-liberal corporatism; that's the opposition meme.

--yeah you got a point there. The name of the movement s/b positive. Ppl don't realize the importance of words & framing their intentions. I went to a workshop about the Secret once & they said that was a big reason why the antiwar movement failed bcuz it was antiwar. So yeah you're right. The name needs to be positive. The antiwar movement needs to rename itself too

That's the peace movement.

But yes, there needs to be a positive name. And "anti-globalism" as a meme needs to have the nationalism and xenophobia taken out. So what is the positive name for the movement against corporate global neo-liberalism? We'll need to work on that.

Fair trade is part of it. And equality. But the right-wingers can say that equality means everyone is equal financially, regardless of what they do or how lazy they are. So we say equality of opportunity. Not exactly spellbinding.... And Democratic socialism is pretty good, but socialism has a bad rep. We don't want the government to own and run everything. Justice and fairness, but folks like Rags don't like SJWs. So, what's the best name? I'm not sure.
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1.  Globalism/nationalism.  No,no, no Eric. Nationalism just states that there exists nations which have actual borders, not the strange tripe you mentioned. Humans are just wired for hierarchy so that's why kumbaya globalism falls flat on its face.  That basically means the antipode of globalism = economic nationalism, which put the nation of interest's economy first, and globalism which is just nothing but put's a nation and it's peoples' economic interests subordinate to some globalism's agenda of no nations, no sets of workers, but rather some borderless mess of assorted workers in different places. That means mutinats have full access without penalty to the cheapest labor. That's what capitalism is all about, silly. Find the cheapest inputs and make something for the highest price. Nationalism is a sure fire way to insert other interests besides profits.
2. Peace movement. Yes, by all means. I know you just don't like it when I point out again, that peace is best served right now by stopping wars of choice. And... again, the US military should not be the virtual firehouse when some activity overseas make people here feel bad.
3. War on drugs is another war of choice. This one directs resources that can be used elsewhere and most of those elsewhere's are far better than warehousing lots of Americans in prison.
4. Justice/fairness: Really Eric? That's a broad topic. Essentially, it should just mean following the constitution. Justice demands that each individual, not group! have a fair shot to equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. SJW's and snowflakes focus on group outcomes which do not equate to equal opportunity.  The same goes for religious freaks who likewise think everyone else is lacking in a certain "truth" they themselves only possess and insist on fobbing said "truths" on everyone else.  Essentially, how many people really like being nagged by self righteous morons?