ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

[Marypoza]

(03-01-2017, 02:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-01-2017, 01:18 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(03-01-2017, 05:11 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-01-2017, 03:37 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-28-2017, 01:15 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Obama-care is essentially Romney-care 2.0.

Anyone on the Right or Left who cannot face this fact is in denial of reality.

I agree, make it better. Don't trash it.

-- this piss pos is standing in the way of true health reform. It needs to go

Unfortunately, if it goes, it will only be replaced by a private Republican system.Obamacare was

-- supposed to get rid of the single payor argument for good. "Oh look! We got this crap! Who needs single payor?"
The repugs will come up with something even more crappy, which will just beg for single payor

Maybe. Unless people were to say, we've got ACA, but it's not good enough; we need further progress toward single payer.

Quote:The most insidious thing about obummercrap, which nobody seems to want to talk about, is that it forces you to buy something whether you can afford to or not (which is why most folx have these crappy plans with sky high deductibles, so they are basically still fronting their own health care, except now they are also throwing away $x/month to the insurance companies, but l digress) This sets a dangerous precedent. For instance: a common item that many budget planners tell folx in need of budget help to cut is cable. Given these Owellian times we are entering, what if Big Brother, um l mean Congress passes a law that everybody is required to have cable/internet, whether they can afford it or not. Since most cable companies are also internet providers, well, big windfall dontcha think? What if ppl were required to have a phone, & not just your cheapo run of the mill phone, but say an i-shit? There was a thread awhile back where souped up hitech rides were being discussed & l said l would be driving under the radar in my beat up old school rides. M&L said no, l would be ride sharing, or hitching rides or some such, iow, l would not be allowed to drive my low tech old schools & neither would anybody else be allowed to drive theirs.  Keep in mind, nice cars, cable, i-shits.. like health care these are things most of us want, but not everybody can afford. Then Congress passes laws forcing everybody to buy them  

Which is why, even tho l would much rather see obummercrap razed to the ground, l would be happy if the Donald simply makes it optional. The ppl who are getting their refunds taken from them are the ones that need it the most

Eric Wrote: Given America's mindset, single payer may be decades away, at least. Unless the voters wise up in the 2020s.

-- single payer could emerge from the 4 T

Eric Wrote:Or, I suppose, since Medicare was passed in the 1960s, perhaps single payer will come in the late 2040s Awakening, when Uranus the rebel planet returns to Virgo the sign of health, where it was in the sixties.

Real progress is rare in America, so it's wise not to expect too much, and to settle for what we can get.

-- makes sense. The Millies, like the GIs are a civic generation, so once they are running things they will probably lower the Medicare age to 0, if it hasn't been already

The Donald does nothing right, ever, or at all. Or as George Carlin would say, he doesn't "care about you, at all, at all, at all!"

-- agreed, but that's beside the point l was making

Eric Wrote:....yada yada..... 

Health care is not cable TV; it's a necessity.

-- my point is if the Govt can force you to buy 1 thing, what to stop it from forcing you to buy other stuff? I agree health care is a right, a necessity, & l think if the Govt is going to insist on everybody having it then they should provide it instead forcing ppl to pony up hard earned $ into some f-ing ponzi scheme     but hey l'm funny like that

Eric Wrote:But yes, the late 2040s makes sense; I forgot to mention that the previous Uranus in Virgo time was when Medicare was passed in the mid-60s. Uranus also conjunct or opposite Pluto both times too, of course.

-- no you didn't forget. Hopefully, the Medicare age will be lowered sooner than the 2040s however