ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

[Classic-Xer]

(03-27-2017, 03:48 PM)Galen Wrote:

(03-25-2017, 08:49 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(03-25-2017, 05:38 PM)Eric the Obtuse Wrote:

(03-25-2017, 05:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Well, I'd say the opportunity for the Democrats to tune up and stabilize has already come and gone at this point. So, we are pretty much stuck with a failing healthcare bill that will only get worse as time goes on. Woo hoo! The Democrats did a great job fucking everyone (especially those they claim to care about so much) who has healthcare by opting out of the process all together.

Or maybe it was the Republicans who fucked up, by never working with the Democrats on real reform, and instead doing nothing but voting to repeal it for 7 years without any replacement? Maybe it was the voters, who failed to put leaders in office who could have made Obamacare work and made it less dependent on the insurance industry, which is the cause of most of the problems in health care?

The Republicans were placed on ignore during the process associated with Obamacare. Arrogant Democrats don't have to listen to or include Republicans when they have a super majority and a rubber stamp in the White House. Trump doesn't care if Obamacare fails and a bunch of older/younger OBAMA voters who didn't vote (seem to hate him) eventually loose their free healthcare. As he said, the proper thing to do as far as political interest go would be allow it to fail as it will and move on the passing other things leaving the Democrats to deal with their own mess. Well, he tried and the Democrats didn't seem to want anything to do with it or seem to care that's it's failing. So fuck them, it's their baby. The spent seven years presenting stuff that they knew wasn't going to get passed because that's what politicians do to keep their jobs. I'm sure Trumps election surprised them as much as it surprised the Democrats. Myself, I wouldn't bailout the Democrats. I'd let them deal with their own failure.

The political outcome of not passing Ryancare will no doubt be better because the Dims get to own this mess.  After all the Dims created Obozocare and have been keeping it alive for the last seven years.

At this point I am looking forward to the debt ceiling battle myself because the Dims will not want to pass one because they want Trump to fail.  The Freedom Caucus will no doubt use it for leverage to get actual spending cuts one way or another.  Either way they win since a default would cut DC off from the debt markets for a number of years.

I've never seen a liberal Dim own up to anything or admit that their systems are on the verge of failing. Nope, the liberal Dims act as if their systems are all peachy, act as if federal tax dollars grow on trees and act as if their programs will be adequately funded forever. I don't think it's very smart for a minority group like the Freedom Caucus to screw with a much larger group of Republican voters. A Libertarian seat in Congress ain't worth a shit as far as I can see. The Evangelical Caucus was wiped out when the Republican voters decided that they had had enough of their shit getting in the way of progress. As far as healthcare insurance goes, I've been fending for myself for years and I'm used to shopping for healthcare insurance. The bulk of employees aren't used to it and are used to it being provided for them by their employers. The Freedom Caucus better find a wall and bang their heads against it to get the idiot dust out that accumulated during the Obama (can't do shit) years. I didn't like the idea of being forced into a mess by a party of dip shits on the left. I don't like the idea of being stuck in the mess by a small group of greedy dip shits on the right.