06-14-2016, 10:09 AM
(06-13-2016, 11:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(06-13-2016, 08:16 PM)radind Wrote:(06-13-2016, 07:35 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(06-13-2016, 07:29 PM)radind Wrote:(06-13-2016, 01:22 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Secularism = the constitution. Freedom of religion. Equal rights to all regardless of religion or lack thereof.
"Biblical" Christian world view = misinterpretation of the Bible. Put downs of people of other religions, saying Christ is "the way." Restrictions on people who violate the norms of the Bible, AS interpreted only by the mis-labelled "Biblical" Christians. Support for worldviews that foster hate and murder.
In spite of your assertions, the USA is now primarily secular. What I claim as my worldview, you put down to misinterpretation of the Bible. I clearly disagree with you , but have the right ( so far) to my interpretation. My worldview does not foster hate and murder.
It take a few more years to see which of us is proved to be correct, based on actual outcomes.
We remain at stalemate
I have already proved the falsehood of your world view. You are unable to defend it.
Do you support full rights for gays/LGBT people, or not?
Do you deny that the shooter did not?
You can make all the assertions you want. I will stand behind my worldview and I expect you to stand behind yours.
Your worldview may work fine for you, but for the less stable, it conditions hate and murder. You stand behind your worldview, but you have no valid or rational defense for it.
Quote:I do not think that the behavior of gays/LGBT is condoned by the Bible. I also don't agree with killing unborn babies.
You don't support gay rights. That attitude conditions homophobia and assaults on gays among some people. The Bible is not the constitution. Fetuses are not necessarily babies. Christians don't get to repeal the constitution, or to interpret it. That's up to the congress and the courts.
Quote:So, on the political front I will try to vote for those who are more in line with Christian views. In the future, I may not have anyone to vote for.
Liberals also vote for those who are more in line with Christian views. Just not your version of Christian.
Quote:The shooter had no respect for people and committed an evil act. It does appear that this may have been an Islamic terrorists attack.
Not, it does NOT so appear. At most the shooter was influenced by what he read and how he was brought up.
Respect gay people.
Quote:It is one thing to not approve of certain behavior, and it is quite another to hate or murder other people. In my view of Christianity , there is no room for hate, much less for murder.
Quote:Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. ( 1 John 3:15, ESV)
You say you don't hate gay people, but you don't want them to have the same rights as others. You are repelled by their behavior simply because it's different from yours. The shooter was also repelled by their behavior. As if kissing someone is wrong.
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I don't have homophobia. You do like labels and you make too many assumptions about others. My concern for people is based on a Biblical worldview and I have never said anything about 'repelled'. The shooter was absolutely wrong and committed an evil act.
We do have a different worldview and it is my contention that a Biblical worldview is needed for a Christian worldview. I don't have any silver bullets to convince you and there are already millions of articles and thousands of books on this subject. No amount of information is likely to cause any change( and I never expected you to change).
It is quite clear to me that the secularists are in the majority and the courts will pass whatever laws they want. I fully realize that I cannot change this. I just don't have to agree with what the secularist majority imposes. I am still convinced based on barna.org and my observations that the per-centage in US with a Biblical worldview is ~ 10%.
In my opinion the US is in a similar situation as 1930's Germany as described by Bonhoeffer.
My concern : Will there be any tolerance in the future for Christian values?
A few articles for reference.
Quote:http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/...ostor.html[url=http://evangelicalfocus.com/lifetech/1695/Christian_leaders_respond_to_Orlando_tragedy][/url]
… "that isn't what Jesus taught. His focus was always on how to reconcile human beings to the God who loves them.”…
http://www.postmodernpreaching.net/the-b...ative.html
… "The Worldview Approach
A worldview provides an interpretive framework for understanding the world. According to the biblical scholar N. T. Wright, every worldview answers four basic questions: (1) Who are we? (2) Where are we? (3) What is wrong? and (4) What is the solution? The metanarrative of Bible can be understood in terms of these four worldview questions.”…
https://tifwe.org/resource/the-priesthoo...believers/
… "one of the top three ideas of the Protestant Reformation. The first two, Sola Scriptura—which asserts the sole authority of Scripture—and Sola Fide—which teaches justification by faith alone—have been widely taught, but the notion of the “priesthood of all believers” has been by far the most neglected. Martin Luther thought that “this word priest should become as common as the word Christian” because all Christians are priests.1 Yet for whatever reason, the priesthood of all believers has been much less understood, taught, and expounded upon in writing.
When Luther referred to the priesthood of all believers, he was maintaining that the plowboy and the milkmaid could do priestly work. In fact, their plowing and milking was priestly work. So there was no hierarchy where the priesthood was a “vocation” and milking the cow was not. Both were tasks that God called his followers to do, each according to their gifts.”…
http://evangelicalfocus.com/lifetech/169...do_tragedy
… "“IT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING WE STAND FOR AS CHRISTIANS” “Today’s deplorable act of terrorism goes against everything we stand for as Americans and as Christians,” Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, said in a statement Sunday. “We call upon all Americans to come together for the purpose of building a firewall of love, grace, truth and respect against intolerance, hatred, bigotry and violence”, he concluded.”…
See more: http://evangelicalfocus.com/lifetech/169...do_tragedy
… whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. Phil 4:8 (ESV)