08-16-2016, 06:03 PM
(08-16-2016, 04:35 PM)David Horn Wrote:Well, it's getting done; but FDR had a ringing voice that could reach a high volume, while Hillary, when she gets loud, sounds like she's shouting.(08-15-2016, 05:08 AM)Mikebert Wrote:(08-12-2016, 08:30 AM)David Horn Wrote: Hillary is very talented but also highly flawed. She always sees herself under siege...
Are you suggesting she is not? Presideint Obama is not a Clinton. He is as gifted a pol as Bill--yet he is far more hated on the Right than Bill was. It is likely Hillary will be even more hated than Obama was. Do you deny this?
Do you beleive that there exists an uppity Democrat* who would NOT be under siege by the right?
*Uppity means having the unmitigated gall to believe that someone like them deserves to be president--and then winning.
I don't disagree that, in what may be the final days of their party's existence, the entire GOP roster will do anything and everything to make the not-GOP POTUS squirm. It's about all they have left. In his time, FDR got the same treatment. The difference between then and now is how the response was handled. FDR stood his ground, and gave better than he got. I don't see Hillary in that role, because it's not in her nature. Worse, this is not something that can be handed to surrogates, so it will not get done.
So, as I would call it, it's the difference between someone with an 18-6 score and someone with only a 12-9 score.
But she has Jupiter rising, which appears to be almost invincible, unless the candidate has a negative score; or in the case of Taft (12-9) and TR (13-13), barely positive scores-- who each won an election, but who also ran against each other and Woodrow Wilson (13-9) and lost; Taft's score being identical to Hillary's, as is easy to tell.
Others who had Jupiter rising who won: Polk (21-2), Taylor (10-5), Lincoln (15-2), Grant (16-4), Lyndon Johnson (10-7), Bill Clinton (19-2). Reagan (19-5) may also have had Jupiter rising. Those who had Jupiter rising, but lost: Breckinridge (2-23), George Wallace (2-6, aggressive Mars also rising), and Mondale (10-13). Perhaps with Hillary, who might not be able to win except that Trump (8-4, belligerent Mars rising) is her opponent, lucky-Jupiter rising provides the luck of the draw!
Quote:If she had any vision of where she is going and how she might get there, she should be moving her message away from all-Hillary-all-the-time to a unity message with the down-ballot Democrats. She should hang Trump on the entire party and call for a wholesale replacement of Congressional GOPpers with people who will move the country forward, rather than sink in a mire of incompetence. She should encourage others to do likewise ... but she's not.
Amen to that; I've have heard her allude to this, but it has to be a lot stronger.
Quote:There's actually a possibility that Pat Toomey might get reelected, yet Hillary is only focusing on herself in PA. And Toomey is only one of several solid targets she's ignoring. She may pay a high price for that starting in January 2017. If the Senate remains in GOP hands, they'll burn the place down before they lift a finger to help her in any way, then they will put the blame on her -- probably with a modicum of success.
Hillary should listen to you, and me, about this! Obama made the same mistake in 2012. We'll see.