07-12-2022, 09:43 AM
(07-11-2022, 07:50 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:(07-10-2022, 07:42 AM)David Horn Wrote: Sorry, but this is far to simplistic to stand. Yes, capitalism is the root cause of our problems, because it is based soley on private gain. There was a period when the concept of stakeholder capitalism had a few years in the sun, but that was destroyed by Milton Friedman. Friedman stated in no uncertain terms that the sole reason for corporations to exist as the common bread of the capitalist model was owner profits -- any pretense of morality or ethics be damned. Now, we're approaching a neo-Feudalism based on corproate power rather than baronies. It was bad then; it's bad now.
Do you really believe that, given free reign to take what they want, capitalists will render a fair share to the commonweal to support the society that created corporations in the first place? The question answers itself.
No, but imo, they only have the power to do so because of the money in politics. I think we need to make like New Zealand and just ban financial political contributions altogether (Citizens United was a friggin ridiculous ruling. RBJ was right about that). Until then, I'm not opposed to certain policies curbing the overreach of corporations. In general though, most of the regulations I support are either
1) accounting for externalities and holding instigating parties accountable
2) Just as government playing too much of a role in business is bad, so too is business playing too much of a role in government. It's okay to play the game and win big. It's not okay to rig the game and screw over everyone else in the interim.
In either even, both types of regulation will always be necessary (I'm not an anarchist), but if we can manage to ban campaign contributions, we'll need a lot less. Anyway, my main point is that the general system worked in the past, and it can work again, but it will never be sufficient to provide society a moral compass. It's just a tool to create and distribute utility. One that needs to be respected, but not taken too seriously or seen as the end all be all.
American capitalists still generally believe that he who owns the gold rightly makes the rules and those who have no gold must simply obey the capitalists. I draw this conclusion based upon the politicians that the biggest capitalists generally support with their campaign contributions here and elsewhere for the last century. If they could make literal serfs out of their employees as Hitler did they would be delighted even if it took Hitler to do it. Because of the Cold War and the need by the US and Britain to shore up capitalism after World War II, businessmen who profited off slave labor got off scot-free in contrast to such people as concentration-camp guards. Had the Ally to the east of Poland been capitalist, then German capitalists who profiteered off concentration-camp labor would have often experienced death by hanging.
Even Milton Friedman has a solution for pollution: tax the Hell out of it. Taxation may distort the market, but here is one place in which the customer deserves to pay a price for consumption that requires huge amounts of pollution.
Beyond any question, economic elites done great mischief by buying the political process here and elsewhere.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.