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Fighting The Fourth Reich
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Kinser Wrote:The UDHR is not enforceable, the UN doesn't have an army to enforce it.  The UN is a paper tiger, it only has more teeth than the League it replaced because the US is often willing to act as world policeman.  As for the ACA it isn't so much as a program to share risks and costs but rather a mandate that every citizen who doesn't qualify for Medicare or medicaid buy a certain product.  It is in fact a giant subsidy to the insurance industry.

Where in the US is there space reserved for just one race, or gender?  I won't go into culture because ideally there should only be one culture if we plan on being a functioning state.  If I have the money I can live in a penthouse in NYC.  A millionaire if he desires to can live in a slum.  This is a non-argument.

That being said, I would say that identitarian politics are ultimately entirely toxic.  That toxicity manifests whether the direction it comes from is left or right.  In America there is only one identity that should matter, the identity of being an American.

The ability to hate is a natural right.  I'll even go further and say that the 14/88 crowd should even be allowed to openly say that "you know gassing the kikes and hanging niggers is fundamentally a good idea".  I'm not concerned by their hate or their speech.  It is when they start doing things that I grow concerned.  And there already are laws for murder or assault.

The best way to limit violent behavior is to allow those that advocate it to speak.  They will show themselves to be the assholes that they are and they will be ignored.

Agreed on the UN. 

I would say the intent of the ACA is to share risks and costs, rather than institute mandates for mandates sake.  That's your politics speaking.  I can sympathize with your characterization that the ACA didn't go far enough, but it's a headache getting anything through Congress.  There are far better things than the ACA, and you're nudging in favor of some of them, but replacing before repealing seems out of reach just now.

There are places where you won't land a job if you aren't of the right gender, culture or pigmentation.  Housing is much better than it was.  Where you can't show prejudice in action, you shouldn't get affirmative action.  However, there are still times and places for it.  Some among the alt right suggest no place for affirmative action at all, which to me means they wish to continue prejudice.  Personally, I find the desire to block affirmative action is often a desire to continue prejudice.  It's just identity politics with an extra degree of indirection intended to say the liberal concerned with equality is at fault rather than the wannabe prejudice performer.  If you accept that those attempting to continue prejudice are engaging in identity politics, I'm with you in preferring we could make identity politics of the past.

I'm pretty much in agreement on hate speech.  I'm just inclined to expect violence following the speech.  There's a reason I attach the spiral of rhetoric to the spiral of violence.  Words leads to violence, and that's where we are in the spirals just now.  However, if the cops wait until the words shift to violence, I've no beef.  They should just expect and plan for it.  I'll say that as much of Antifa as the so called neo Nazi and neo Confederates.  Again, I suspect that for many it's as much the testosterone as well though out politics.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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Fighting The Fourth Reich - by X_4AD_84 - 08-15-2017, 06:04 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-18-2017, 04:48 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by noway2 - 08-18-2017, 09:52 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-18-2017, 01:44 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-18-2017, 06:55 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by noway2 - 08-18-2017, 09:58 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-20-2017, 01:12 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-18-2017, 01:57 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-19-2017, 03:03 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-20-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-20-2017, 01:16 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Mikebert - 08-21-2017, 02:44 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-18-2017, 01:37 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by The Wonkette - 08-20-2017, 02:54 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-21-2017, 01:27 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-22-2017, 06:24 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-22-2017, 06:41 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-22-2017, 06:54 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-22-2017, 07:16 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by David Horn - 08-22-2017, 04:24 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-23-2017, 11:33 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-22-2017, 07:26 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by David Horn - 08-22-2017, 04:37 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-22-2017, 05:17 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by David Horn - 08-23-2017, 10:14 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-24-2017, 12:14 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-24-2017, 11:11 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by beechnut79 - 08-25-2017, 10:28 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-23-2017, 03:30 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by David Horn - 08-23-2017, 10:17 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-23-2017, 10:23 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-24-2017, 12:15 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-25-2017, 11:25 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-25-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Eric the Green - 08-26-2017, 01:05 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-26-2017, 04:59 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Eric the Green - 08-26-2017, 12:56 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-26-2017, 02:20 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-27-2017, 04:56 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-25-2017, 03:44 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-25-2017, 03:36 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-25-2017, 07:34 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-26-2017, 02:06 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-26-2017, 03:26 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-25-2017, 04:24 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-26-2017, 02:21 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-26-2017, 02:24 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-26-2017, 02:30 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-26-2017, 03:46 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-27-2017, 04:59 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Eric the Green - 08-27-2017, 12:08 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-27-2017, 01:27 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-27-2017, 06:21 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-28-2017, 08:38 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-28-2017, 10:30 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-28-2017, 05:49 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-28-2017, 07:56 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-28-2017, 09:54 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-29-2017, 10:27 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-29-2017, 10:32 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-30-2017, 01:40 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by pbrower2a - 08-31-2017, 04:16 AM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-30-2017, 04:31 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-30-2017, 08:16 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-30-2017, 09:13 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-31-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by David Horn - 08-31-2017, 04:48 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-31-2017, 04:50 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-31-2017, 07:16 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-31-2017, 07:58 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-31-2017, 09:22 PM
RE: Fighting The Fourth Reich - by Kinser79 - 08-31-2017, 10:40 PM

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