I have a feeling that today (or yesterday) is probably a huge generational shift.

[David Horn]

(01-08-2021, 02:20 PM)mamabug Wrote: New here - I was part of the very first 4th Turning forums many years ago, left when it started dying off.  The events of this year have been bringing it all back.  For reference I am an old, mid-wave Gen X'er on the libertarian side who is old enough to remember the end of the last Awakening and has seen first-hand how the country has changed around me.

It is clear to me that we are just entering the crux of the crisis period.  The country is still roughly split 50/50 between two sides that both feel threatened by each others existence and it will only get worse now that one side effectively controls the media, Hollywood, academia, Wall Street, and all three branches of federal government. The crisis can't end until either one side is so thoroughly decimated that they no longer exist OR a social compromise is reached that purges the extremists on one end while allowing the rest to hold on to the social structures and values most important to them.  For the former example, see Stalin literally killing any opposition.  For the latter, see the end of reconstruction and beginning of Jim Crow.  They extremely hyperbolic and hypocritical reactions to the events in D.C. on both sides illustrate that we are nowhere near a compromise.

Artist generations continue to be born until at least two years before the actual end of the crisis.  The question is whether 2022 or 2024 is more likely to mark the end of it and the beginning of the high.  How the administration in power handles dissent over the next 2-4 years will be the key to determining not just when the crisis ends but also what the high will look like.

Welcome back! You ask a good question, but one with no immediate answer.  The Crisis continues, at least for awhile.  So far, we've only dealt with a single demagogue, and he's only one of many crises (small 'c') that need attending -- as you inferred.  2022 is certainly the earliest. If you follow Eric the Green's reasoning, 2028 is more likely.