05-27-2018, 08:54 PM
(05-27-2018, 04:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(05-27-2018, 05:05 AM)Mikebert Wrote:(05-26-2018, 11:21 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: One thing to point out though, is that the kids have vowed to continue to be active. We'll see if they do this, but if so, they will be joined by a continual stream of new activists that has happened after almost every mass shooting. Mass shootings will continue and get worse until the politics of guns shifts, whether by the Parkland kids, Everytown for Gun Responsibility, Gabby Giffords' organization, or the next groups that form, and all of them together.
Very possibly this will happen (I hope so). But it hasn't happened yet. So they cannot "count" as evidence of a 4T movement until they actually achieve something, which means more time is needed for the last decade or two to bear more than a superficial resemblance to a 4T.
I agree. It may take more time than we want or expect. I suspect that Trump may even win re-election, perish the thought. The Democrats may not nominate Landrieu or McAuliffe, in which case they are likely to lose. Bernie would be a crapshoot I could not predict. It might take until 2022 before a progressive sunami wipes out the GOP (in the typical 6th year beating administered to the party in the White House, but even more so), and turns Drump into a virtual puppet or dumps him and Pence out of office. Then that leaves 4 years of full progressive leadership after 2024 (plus the prior 2 years of progressive congressional power) in which the country could change beyond recognition. Or, things may shift sooner. But if not, after 2020 I know that folks like you and David Kaiser and The Nomad here will be confirmed in their opinion, with much justice, that the 4T is over and has failed or never happened, while I will still proclaim that there is more ahead, even then!
You said: I suspect that Trump may even win re-election, perish the thought.
My thoughts have been a hopeful showing of the ideology that will cause a 1st Turning, but I do not believe it will be a huge wave in 3018, just a showing. I even entertain rump may become re-elected, but I still adhere to him as an aberration with no mandate to bring about further 4Th Turning mayhem. It may be a steward of the final stages of Crisis, I only believe that with every year and even month that passes, more of the Hero and Artist will reach voting age and adult stature and the sludge getting progressively pushed. I cannot in any way see ryan (who is their best bet yet is retiring) or MITT ROMNEY(?) (not so much)... that side has nothing more to offer. They're running out of time fast and ALL they can do is reluctantly push more rump, and the general consensus on that is "NO MORE". It cannot last that much longer. I can't think of a necon below geriatric age and voters are no longer accepting senators or house people having a 75th birthday or 90th. They're even kicking our pelosi and feinstein (fossils on the left side).