(07-20-2018, 03:52 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(07-19-2018, 05:01 AM)TheNomad Wrote:Quote:The consensus is that Lee Harvey Oswald did it.
No one decided that. A commission called Warren decided that and then a trusting public accepted it. Yet, even only a DECADE later, a panel more broad and outside of a white man's boys' club comprised of individuals who were probably involved to a point in the assassination (and benefited from it later) questioned them - the House Panel On Assassinations (a panel created specifically to investigate the Kennedy murder) and THEY decided "there was most likely a plot involving more than one person" but could not explicitly prove the machination in the entirety.
So, you are choosing more Curse of the Prophet with your subjectivity to choose to believe something that makes your universe easier to live in. You have done no honest investigation of really anything and I suspect this is the way you live your life in totality (as most Prophets do).
WITH RESPECT.
Really? It's not very respectful to draw such conclusions from the fact that Mr. Brower understands the consensus on the subject of the JFK assassination. Much more is known now since the congressional investigation you mention. And the evidence was always open and shut against Oswald; now it's even more so. You say you respect objective facts. This is what the facts show about Oswald, as opposed to what beliefs say, or what some woman who claims to have known him says about him.
And what about what else he wrote in that post? It did not seem unworthy of comment, or a basis for concluding mr. brower is "dishonest."
Subjectivity is our life; our being and consciousness. Objectivity is impossible, but it's a worthy goal to strive for to understand the non-self without prejudice. However, there is no objectivity without subjectivity AND vice versa. Strict dualism is false; all is connected and inter-related with all.
Please excuse my tenacity misconstrued as personal hostility.
I think there is misunderstanding this conversation arc was never about a guy being shot from a knoll or storm drain half a century ago. Though, that subject is - to me - of great importance itself. I had used the concept of a large public event which shaped many Americans over time (the event itself and the aftermath) - I had used that as a qualifier against which to elaborate on the beliefs of some concerning a controversial thing and the idea of possible "groupthink" and immovability in doctrine/dogma. That's all. An event we can all (I guess) relate to and have a shared understanding, then examining how we view it, the MANY varying views toward what it was, etc... I believe such qualifiers reveal that extra layer of a person's scope and how they process information and how they are approaching multi-faceted concepts. I would tie that in with the article I read recently (wish I had the link?) that posed If Fox News Existed During Watergate Nixon May Have Walked. That idea is kind of a big one. When we look at the idea of misinformation, filtered information, the rise of almost unmitigated LIES that attempt to serve an agenda under the guise of being helpful to us in the search for INFORMATION... in that light, I don't know how anyone can say "we understand NOW what the main purpose of MSNBC and FOX are"............. but yet to sat "well that didn't exist in the 1960s......... I think it existed even more back then. So, my goodness, the TAINT upon the kennedy thing is like a dog bringing the beach into the house and taking a dump on the couch
but that's just me. This was never about Oswald, in this conversation I used him/the event as a tangential plane on which to examine something totally outside of him/the event.Everyone here is really verbose (well, some) and I guess people have to choose what they will respond to. What you and maybe others perceived as an attack was me trying to get on track with the real issue which was never oswald/the event but rather how the generational archetypes represented HERE view/react/believe about that commonly shared event. I'm not crazy
I swear nor a troll. 
So, as much as I would like to talk about the grassy knoll and the picture of bush senior in dealy plaza, that's not what we are all here for. I've been obsessed with 11.22 since even the 1980s and I have consumed countless books, documentaries, lectures, rudimentary maps (lmao netflix Dark, Claudia's bunker!!) but that is a side issue.
We all have limited time, and we most seem to babble (which is great). Not enough time on earth to go line by line. BTW I wrote a whole other paragraph to respond about the "NOVA program" and how I know all of these docs and books and people by heart, but that is totally off topic, the assassination does not belong here except in the sense of generational cycles since that is what this forum is.