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Thoughts On Where We Are, and Where We're Going
(09-04-2018, 03:26 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The Counter-awakening, i.e. the red and white awakenings, the Reaganomics and the Trumpisms, meanwhile deserve to be abandoned, just like the views of tories, confederates and the FDR haters were abandoned once the struggles of the 4T were over. The new true-blue greenpeace ideals from the Awakening need to be established as the new consensus.

The Fourth Turning is all about making the ideals of the previous awakening into institutional realities. This must be done, and to do that, the Consciousness Revolution in all its facets must be upheld and respected.

This is precisely why I suggest we are not in a core 4T. There has been no regeneracy. We are not doing these things to any degree. The whole country has not accepted these values. The four turning cycle has not worked well outside Western Civilization in the Industrial Age. There are attempts here to force fit a theory by ignoring the evidence that its patten is not holding.

Mind you, much of the above happened, much changed, back in the Consciousness Revolution proper. The new values were acted on immediately, with the abandonment of the Vietnam war, with a rejection of active hot wars under the domino theory, with the signing of the Civil Rights act, with the woman's movement at the time and a wave of environmental action. That and the lack of a surge in the spiral of violence leads me to believe change is taking place in the Second Turning during the new age (Computerized information, nuclear weapons, renewable energy), not the Fourth.

There was what I call a false regeneracy with Bush 43's wars of aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq. He tried to alter US values towards making perpetual war, but failed to make the change because other nations resisted and made perpetual guerrilla war not a pleasant prospect at all. US values have since remained resistant to committing US ground troops abroad. In short, Bush 43's values were not accepted by the US after they briefly saw action.

Mind you, this might only effect the timing a little. When it becomes clear that we are killing the Earth, that we have to act in the active generations lifetime, there will be an awakening strong enough to make the Consciousness Revolution look small. Then we will see if change can be made in the Second Turning in the new age.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

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RE: Thoughts On Where We Are, and Where We're Going - by Bob Butler 54 - 09-05-2018, 07:10 AM

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