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Revenge of the Forgotten Class
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(08-24-2017, 12:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 02:53 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 10:07 AM)noway2 Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 07:34 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [Bob there is a reason that I refer to the MSM as the Lugenpresse.  It is unfortunate that English lacks a word for that concept. 
When I first saw you use that term, I had to look it up.  It is a very eloquent way of phrasing it. It reminds me of zeitgeist.  In fact in the beginning of the English translation of Mein Kampf ther is a short chapter on the meaning of some words that don't have an equivalent and explanation as to why they were left in the text as is.  

English is such an expression poor language, which is surprising as it evolved from German and  given how much better it is at expressing things: such as its two words for shit - one  for human, one for animal and the ability to combine them to make a deeper form of shit.  Spanish is also good at expression, especially when it comes to profanity. Take for example, the slur puta / puto and how there is no real direct translation, or even how it has many variants of the term 'fuck' and how it can be used in so many contexts all of which change the meaning.

Lugenpresse means "lie-press". "Media liars" would fit well for the concept. English is not as prone as German to make compound words. When a compound word is made to describe something questionable, like Judenfrage, we have a problem. But remember well -- George Orwell was speaking also of Nazi Germany when describing the degradation of language by turning words into lies by the leadership in 1984. When even the words are lies, people cannot speak the truth.

What English has is in part a hybrid vocabulary with many words of obvious Latin or Greek origins forced to fit Germanic grammar. Thus shit, feces, and scat. Of course there are plenty of euphemisms  due to the prissy pretensions of so many people who think that using a vulgar word is a great offense to God.

I find that PC language more closely fits Orwell's model than does the German habit of forming compound words of existing words to express new ideas.

For example Panzerkampfwagen for tank literally describes what a tank is.  It is an armored (panzer) fighting (kampf) vehicle (wagen).  In the German language the word wagen can be used to described just about any wheeled or tracked vehicle.

The problem comes when coining words, no matter what the technique, to turn means of communication into lies, especially  as euphemisms for horrors.


Quote:As for calling the MSM Lugenpresse, perhaps if they didn't lie so much maybe I would call them quite literally the "lying press".


It's the mainstream media that now show how much 'Trumpspeak' diverges from the truth. Fool, madman, or systemic liar?

Quote:@Noway

Yes, English or its extensive vocabulary is particularly poor in expressions.  I'm not a linguist so I cannot explain why that is.  I would say however that some languages are better at doing different things.  English is fairly good at being a universal means of communications particularly in business.  Its use for political theory, science or philosophy is much more limited.  For that I prefer the German.

As for Mein Kampf, I've read both English translations of it and in the original German.  Suffice it to say in the original German it is quite obvious that Hitler dictated the book rather than wrote it.  It is quite difficult because it is less a book with set chapters discussing issues and ideas and ideals and more a stream of consciousness.

Reality creates its own potential for powerful expressions. Were I to create an ideal language it would little resemble English.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Dan '82 - 11-12-2016, 11:06 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 11-13-2016, 05:03 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Galen - 11-13-2016, 11:08 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 11-14-2016, 11:27 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Galen - 11-14-2016, 04:18 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-13-2017, 04:43 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-13-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-14-2017, 01:33 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-15-2017, 05:12 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-17-2017, 10:34 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-16-2017, 05:16 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-16-2017, 10:01 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-14-2017, 06:08 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by noway2 - 08-16-2017, 02:31 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-18-2017, 07:34 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by noway2 - 08-18-2017, 10:07 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-18-2017, 02:53 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-24-2017, 12:48 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-24-2017, 06:29 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-18-2017, 07:27 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-24-2017, 12:45 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-25-2017, 02:21 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-25-2017, 11:35 AM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 08-25-2017, 01:48 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by Kinser79 - 08-25-2017, 03:44 PM
RE: Revenge of the Forgotten Class - by pbrower2a - 11-03-2017, 01:34 AM

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