(07-28-2020, 06:39 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(07-28-2020, 05:52 PM)Einzige Wrote: Goddammit, Marxism is not simply Industrial Capitalism With Unions.
What it is, above all, is labor abolitionism.
But Industrial Capitalism with Unions and strong benefits may be preferred to Marxism. Lenin, Stalin. Mao. Most people remember. The guy who proves best at organizing power and violence will often care more about power and violence than he does about the people.
The Soviet Union was State capitalist. This was readily admitted to by Lenin himself.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/w...apr/21.htm
Quote:While the revolution in Germany is still slow in “coming forth”, our task is to study the state capitalism of the Germans, to spare no effort in copying it and not shrink from adopting dictatorial methods to hasten the copying of Western culture by barbarian Russia, without hesitating to use barbarous methods in fighting barbarism.
The belief was that the Soviets needed to pass through a capitalist phase of development to achieve socialism. Despite later protestations about achieving socialism in the 1950s, my contention is that the Soviet Union was State capitalist from the time of the suppression of the Soviets in favor of the NEP in 1920 until 1991.
It is my contention that socialism is going to be the organic response of the working-class to the final crisis of capitalism, and that it doesn't matter whether the workers view themselves as socialist or not. Per Marx in The Holy Family:
Quote: It is not a question of what this or that proletarian, or even the whole proletariat, at the moment regards as its aim. It is a question of what the proletariat is, and what, in accordance with this being, it will historically be compelled to do. Its aim and historical action is visibly and irrevocably foreshadowed in its own life situation as well as in the whole organization of bourgeois society today.
