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Flavors of 4Ts
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(01-28-2017, 07:24 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 07:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 01:07 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: Eric,

Could be, or could be a violent left-wing (well, really at this point more of an ethnic rather than ideological faction) uprising to a re-elected Trump (another Electoral College win/Popular vote loss?).  It's a possibility, as is a foreign conflict coinciding with an internal revolt of some sort.  A collapse in America's geopolitical position due to an internal conflict of some sort in the 2020s, setting the stage for the victor of the same to try and contest (or not) the new order in the 2030s or 2040s?  Also a possibility.

Distinctly possible, and predicted as possible by me already.

Although the left is definitely ideological, it has taken a social-justice slant big time because of who the major party nominees were in 2016 and who is president now. But I don't see an out-of-power violent left wing revolution as likely to succeed in the USA. The resistance to Trump is on, but it's mostly non-violent, and whether it can depose Trump before 2020 or even 2024 depends largely on Trump's own behavior. So I think an unsuccessful right-wing violent revolt against a left government that succeeds Trump is more likely, especially since the right-wing is focused on keeping their guns and thus is more-violent. And again, not until 2025-26.

And one side or another seceding is distinctly possible. William Strauss posted here long ago that the borders of the USA after this 4T might not be the same as before it. This prediction of mine dates back 4 decades. I don't say I am certain of it, but what I predicted is that people might be proposing it. This was unthinkable back in the 20th century. Now, it's not.

Oh, there's plenty of violence on the left, too.  But we are in agreement that both are possibilities for which one could draw plausible scenarios.  The question is indeed how the next 4 years go.

Yes, in agreement, and that's the question. I don't see where you get "plenty of violence on the left" though, and I doubt it will be effective. Consider its history. The Black Panthers? Riots that burn down neighborhoods? Black lives matter protests? Not very powerful, except to turn the people against the Left or empower repression. The Right wing has been gearing up with militias since the 1990s, and the gun proponents will fight to keep their guns whether they are under threat or not. If either happens though, and it's true either could happen, the prospects are not bright on either side. The winner of this Crisis will win at the ballot box, despite protests or resistance. 

Of course that happened last time too; Lincoln won at the ballot box; right-wing rebellion broke out, and it was quelled, but at great cost that time. This time, I am predicting there will be no great urgency to "uphold the Union," as there was under Lincoln. If Texas or California wants to leave, let them go-- I think will be the sentiment.

Trump would not let that happen; he would fight. That's because he wants to "make America great again."
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 01-27-2017, 04:51 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Warren Dew - 01-27-2017, 05:40 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by pbrower2a - 01-27-2017, 09:29 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by pbrower2a - 01-27-2017, 09:11 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 01-27-2017, 11:20 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by David Horn - 01-28-2017, 12:34 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-28-2017, 01:07 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 01-28-2017, 02:36 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-28-2017, 02:52 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 01-28-2017, 04:04 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-28-2017, 04:25 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Warren Dew - 01-28-2017, 06:30 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-28-2017, 07:13 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 01-29-2017, 06:55 AM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-29-2017, 11:19 AM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 01-29-2017, 01:22 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-29-2017, 04:22 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by pbrower2a - 01-28-2017, 06:33 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Warren Dew - 01-28-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 01-28-2017, 07:26 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-28-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 01-28-2017, 03:19 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 01-28-2017, 07:20 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-28-2017, 07:24 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 01-28-2017, 07:33 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-28-2017, 07:52 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by pbrower2a - 01-29-2017, 09:59 AM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 01-29-2017, 05:37 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 01-29-2017, 05:59 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Mikebert - 02-03-2017, 04:53 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-03-2017, 04:56 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by JonLaw - 02-01-2017, 07:54 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by freivolk - 02-03-2017, 05:27 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-03-2017, 05:31 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by freivolk - 02-03-2017, 05:49 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-03-2017, 05:56 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by freivolk - 02-04-2017, 10:25 AM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-04-2017, 11:44 AM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 02-04-2017, 11:51 AM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-04-2017, 11:55 AM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by freivolk - 02-04-2017, 12:01 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-04-2017, 12:04 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by freivolk - 02-04-2017, 12:09 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-04-2017, 12:25 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 02-04-2017, 01:32 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by freivolk - 02-04-2017, 12:48 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by SomeGuy - 02-04-2017, 12:54 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 02-04-2017, 01:06 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by freivolk - 02-04-2017, 01:19 PM
RE: Flavors of 4Ts - by Eric the Green - 02-04-2017, 01:37 PM

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