02-04-2017, 12:01 PM
(02-04-2017, 11:44 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 10:25 AM)freivolk Wrote:(02-03-2017, 05:56 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:1806 is just the formalisation of the end of the HRE. After the french victory in both coalition wars it was obvious, that the structure the empire was build upon was destroyed. Instead hundereds of imperial principalities we have now roughly 3 dotzend states. We have also keep in mind, that continental Europe is dominated by France, which enforce his vision of the 1T on the german states. This napoleonic 1T was cut short by the War of the Fifth Coaltion, which leaded to the need of a new political structure for Europe after the collapse of the french dominance. 1815 is therefore not the beginning of a german 1T, it is the beginning of the continental 2T, because the prophets which fought in the Wars of 1813/15 never really acccepts the restauratives insti´tution of 1815.(02-03-2017, 05:49 PM)freivolk Wrote: Even the american 4T goes till 1794. Why shouldn´t the continental 4T last till 1800? I personal think the continental 4T ends with the War of the Second Coalition. The French Revolution has ended, the new order of Napoleon is full established and the old order of the HRE is destroyed.
The argument that the Revolutionary Wars is a 4T and the Napoleonic era (with attendant wars) was a 1T is common on this site. That still ignores that the things you are talking about in Germany didn't occur in the (proposed) 4T, they happened after 1806. And the German Confederation that was the dominant political order in what would become Germany, wasn't instituted until 1815.
It's certainly an interesting argument, one I don't necessarily disagree with (at least in broad strokes). Where are you trying to date the 4T/1T transition in "Germany" then, the Peace of Basel?
Basel is definitly part of the transition, but I would tend more to Campo Fornio.