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Fascism is on the ballot
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(10-11-2020, 08:07 AM)Isoko Wrote: I actually do have to agree with you here Eric. Trump is very much an authoritian leader modeled on the Mussolini model. Just his own comments I have observed recently are quite frankly anti-democratic and more fitting for that of a dictatorship. The only thing preventing Trump from a total take over is Congress, the military and other aspects of American governance that still want to keep the democratic project alive.

You know, my wife the other day made an interesting comment about Trump. She said that not only is he finished but also the entire movement of populism is finished in America. The country is too attached to democracy to fully go down a populist path. Europe on the other hand is a different story and regularly flitters between democracy and populism (Liberal rulership vs strong man Conservative rulership) every so many generations. Trump would do quite well in a country such as Italy, Greece, even France or Poland. Heck, even here in Russia, they say the vast majority of Russians would vote for Trump...

Now this itself is an interesting debate. Trump himself is basically a caesar. America has had a taste of it yet still feel uncomfortable with the idea. For now. However, how long until another potential caesar comes along in America? Trump was in essence quite weak as caesar. He did not tear down Congress, do a march on Washington or try to get powerful people on his side. Yet could Trump be a test drive for future American politics?

Im not sure. As I said before, caesarism always does well in Europe after several generations. Even Britain is not alien to the caesar style of leadership as was the case with both Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher. Although they acted within democratic means, they still had policies that were very caesarish. Even Tony Blair exhibited these qualities during his Premier ship.

We will have to wait and see. My prediction for America is that the country will drop Trump but the democratic mandate is too weak and fractured to handle the future problems of the country. Too many MAGA people, too many economic problems down the line and a declining empire. Whether a caesar stops this, democracy rebounds and takes it head on or the country eventually fractured and secedes is anyone's guess.

As people here might know, I revert to the original and genuine definition of "populism" as a movement for the power of the people over the power of moneyed interests. That was the original program of the Populist Party in 1892 and their takeover of the Democrats in the election of 1896 that reshaped our political parties to where they are today, with an additional dramatic geographic and diversity/peace/ecology shift and reaction to it from the 1960s and 70s onward.

"Populism" today is used as a term to mean politicians appealing to prejudices and fears among the people in order to impose tyranny upon them, and suggests that there is a smarter and less-prejudiced group that exists only among elites and intellectuals. I feel that is a perversion of the term, and that the common people should be regarded as able to vote intelligently and not based on prejudice and fear, and should be expected to do so, even though they don't always do so.

I am thankful for your agreement on some of this, Isoko. I am not sure if caesarism and trumpism will rebound from their expected loss in 2020. I have predicted a progressive turn for this decade, which is the same as the remainder of this 4T, and I hope it happens despite the blocks Republicans have erected, but a return to more conservative policies can always happen in a first turning. As of now though, I think some activism and progress will continue too through the 2030s, and despite some power grabs by some kind of caesarism (or I just call it the economic powers and corporate globalists) in the early 2040s, the trend is for the tide of activism to swell toward the next Awakening in the later 2040s, the climax of the cycle of revolution that began in the 1960s.

I think the America First turn spearheaded by Trump is unlikely to prevail in the future. Trade deals and tariffs are still needed, but are hard to get right. Immigration could have been handled by the bipartisan senate bill under Obama that was shot down by the then-reactionary Tea Party House of Representatives. The House is now Democratic, and the Senate will likely be so too by a narrow or modest margin, so this bill could be re-introduced and passed, and this could lead to Trumpist xenophobia being a passing phase belonging to one candidate's strategy. The age of rampant refugees which I predicted for the 2010s and happened just as I predicted will be receding. So also, engagement with the world, with Europe and Asia, will be restored after Trump. The USA has world responsibilities, including restoring arms control, the Iran Agreement and the Paris Climate accord, and reopening detente with Cuba too, but the trend under both Obama and Trump should (I hope) continue back toward multi-lateral approaches rather than the USA being the self-righteous and cowboy-like policeman of the world. That job of managing conflict and restraining rogue aggression belongs to the UN, which I hope will get stronger with restored USA support. Even so, I have seen in the signs a strong likelihood of USA involvement in war at mid-decade. It could be both civil and foreign. We'll see if trends of opinion toward peace will restrain and transform this war cycle. It hasn't much so far.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-10-2020, 10:04 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-11-2020, 08:07 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-11-2020, 09:50 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-11-2020, 10:19 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-11-2020, 03:09 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 02:18 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 04:12 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-12-2020, 04:20 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 05:28 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-12-2020, 01:59 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-12-2020, 02:14 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-11-2020, 11:35 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-11-2020, 12:01 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 03:40 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-12-2020, 06:18 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-12-2020, 11:57 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-11-2020, 01:26 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 01:17 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-12-2020, 10:00 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-12-2020, 01:48 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-12-2020, 01:50 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-14-2020, 09:23 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-14-2020, 09:41 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 03:06 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-12-2020, 03:22 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 05:16 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-12-2020, 06:42 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-12-2020, 09:57 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-14-2020, 09:36 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-12-2020, 01:27 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-12-2020, 09:39 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-13-2020, 12:00 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-13-2020, 10:29 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-13-2020, 10:30 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-12-2020, 03:37 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-12-2020, 04:32 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-12-2020, 07:31 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-13-2020, 12:41 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-13-2020, 12:44 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-13-2020, 04:05 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-13-2020, 12:45 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-13-2020, 03:11 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-13-2020, 10:48 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-13-2020, 11:38 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-14-2020, 11:35 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-14-2020, 12:43 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-14-2020, 01:53 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-14-2020, 10:34 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-15-2020, 05:18 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-15-2020, 09:38 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by CH86 - 10-15-2020, 11:26 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-15-2020, 12:40 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by CH86 - 10-15-2020, 01:39 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-16-2020, 06:15 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-17-2020, 04:00 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-17-2020, 07:15 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-18-2020, 12:48 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-18-2020, 03:35 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-18-2020, 06:47 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-18-2020, 10:47 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-19-2020, 09:51 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-20-2020, 08:05 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-20-2020, 05:07 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-21-2020, 08:31 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-27-2020, 11:55 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-28-2020, 05:16 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-28-2020, 11:39 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-31-2020, 12:05 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-31-2020, 05:02 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-31-2020, 07:52 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-31-2020, 03:31 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-30-2020, 05:34 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-18-2020, 06:16 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-19-2020, 10:39 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-19-2020, 11:13 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-20-2020, 12:56 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-20-2020, 06:15 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-20-2020, 11:52 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-24-2020, 02:38 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-24-2020, 03:40 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-24-2020, 05:43 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-24-2020, 06:48 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-24-2020, 07:34 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-24-2020, 03:03 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-24-2020, 04:09 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-24-2020, 11:38 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-24-2020, 11:51 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-25-2020, 01:09 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-25-2020, 04:00 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-25-2020, 09:43 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-26-2020, 09:44 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-27-2020, 10:53 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-28-2020, 05:11 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-24-2020, 09:56 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-24-2020, 10:46 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-24-2020, 04:11 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-24-2020, 01:24 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-24-2020, 05:50 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-24-2020, 07:44 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-24-2020, 04:54 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-24-2020, 05:15 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-21-2020, 12:23 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-15-2020, 11:17 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-17-2020, 08:36 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-17-2020, 01:06 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-17-2020, 10:24 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by CH86 - 10-16-2020, 12:14 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-16-2020, 05:28 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-16-2020, 05:42 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-14-2020, 08:26 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-15-2020, 02:18 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-16-2020, 04:02 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-16-2020, 10:47 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-17-2020, 08:30 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-14-2020, 03:22 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by beechnut79 - 10-14-2020, 03:56 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-14-2020, 06:07 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-14-2020, 08:52 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-14-2020, 09:39 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-14-2020, 11:16 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-15-2020, 05:19 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-15-2020, 10:48 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-16-2020, 02:19 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by CH86 - 10-16-2020, 02:29 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-16-2020, 04:33 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-17-2020, 08:43 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-18-2020, 02:39 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-18-2020, 10:49 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-19-2020, 10:19 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-19-2020, 11:19 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-20-2020, 12:36 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-21-2020, 12:29 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-16-2020, 04:58 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-16-2020, 05:34 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-16-2020, 04:53 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-16-2020, 05:05 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-17-2020, 08:45 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-18-2020, 04:10 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-18-2020, 11:56 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-16-2020, 07:19 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-16-2020, 07:26 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-16-2020, 04:19 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-17-2020, 02:13 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-17-2020, 08:58 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-17-2020, 12:34 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-17-2020, 06:24 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-16-2020, 08:44 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-16-2020, 12:59 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Classic-Xer - 10-17-2020, 01:36 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by David Horn - 10-17-2020, 08:50 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-17-2020, 12:41 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-18-2020, 07:00 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Isoko - 10-18-2020, 08:06 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-18-2020, 02:18 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-19-2020, 11:42 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-18-2020, 11:33 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by beechnut79 - 10-20-2020, 09:59 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-25-2020, 12:15 AM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-25-2020, 02:49 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by Eric the Green - 10-28-2020, 02:00 PM
RE: Fascism is on the ballot - by pbrower2a - 10-28-2020, 03:25 PM

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