03-04-2017, 07:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-04-2017, 08:07 PM by Eric the Green.)
So, random applications of the wonderful fibonacci sequence to chosen historical dates = predictions. These are not reliable cycle indicators, but indicators of possible mathematical rhythms. Fibonacci numbers often appear in the patterns of Nature, and in the arts.
If we're still around, maybe, we'll see which is better, astrology or fibonacci.
Some important astrological correlations:
The Uranus Return to 9 degrees Gemini, and peak crisis dates:
1607, founding of Jamestown
1692, during King William's War
1776, Independence War declared
1861, Civil War starts, exact return to the minute of arc
1944, D- Day, crisis peak according to S&H, exact return to the minute
2027, next return, next crisis peak.
The exact Day Neptune entered Aries in 1861 + exact day of Uranus Return = Ft. Sumpter bombing.
Neptune enters Aries again 2025-26. Especially Jan.2026. next civil war?
Neptune entering cardinal signs and the beginning dates of S&H dominant generations:
1821 Capricorn = Gilded 1822
1861 Aries = Missionary 1860
1901 Cancer = GI 1901
1943 Libra = Boomer 1943
1984 Capricorn = Millennial 1982
2025 Aries = next prophets aka "Generation A"
Some turning markers:
1773 = Saturn conjunct Neptune 1773
1794 = Uranus opposite Pluto 1793
1820 = Uranus conjunct Neptune 1821, both entering Capricorn
1834 (possible 3T start date) = Neptune entered Aquarius, Uranus entered Pisces 1835
1844 = Uranus conjunct Jupiter and entering Aries 1844
circa 1850 (proposed 4T start date) = Uranus conj. Pluto 1850
1860 = Neptune entered Aries 1861
1865 = Uranus entered Cancer 1865
1886 = Neptune first coming into orb of conjunction with Pluto. Uranus entered Libra
1908 = Uranus opposite Neptune 1908
1929 = Neptune entered Virgo 1929
1946 = Neptune entered Libra 1943, conjunct Jupiter 1945
1964 = Uranus conjunct Pluto 1965-66, first became close/strong in 1964 (and Nov.1963)
1984 = Neptune entered Capricorn 1984
2008 = Pluto entered Capricorn 2008, square Uranus and Saturn
Let's look at some Depressions and Recessions
1837 Neptune entered Aquarius 1834, Uranus entered Pisces 1835
1845-46 (European famine) Neptune entered Pisces 1848
1857 Neptune entered Aries 1861, Uranus entered Gemini 1858, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1861
1873 Neptune entered Taurus 1873, Saturn in Capricorn
1893 Neptune and Pluto conjunction 1892
1920 Uranus entered Pisces 1919, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1921
1929 Neptune entered Virgo 1929, Saturn in Capricorn square Uranus and Pluto in 1930-31
1946 Neptune entered Libra 1943, Uranus entered Cancer 1948-49
1958 Neptune entered Scorpio 1957, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1961
1970 Neptune entered Sagittarius 1970
1973 Uranus entered Scorpio 1974
1979-81 Uranus entered Sagittarius 1982, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1981
1990 Uranus entered Capricorn 1989, Saturn in Capricorn 1990
2000 Jupiter conj Saturn in Taurus 2000, Neptune entered Aquarius 1998
2008 Pluto entered Capricorn 2008, square Uranus and Saturn in 2009-2010
It looks like recessions and depressions happen at or near times when outer planets change signs, and Earth signs and Neptune are key indicators. Saturn in Capricorn and major conjunctions can also be indicators. Some correlations are closer than others.
Let's compare your possible predictions with mine.
"bull market peak, 2017 or 2022"
I think the bull market peak is right now, and 2017 should be good all year.
"2018 peak of a financial crisis"
I think 2018 will be the start of a bear market. I am unsure about a crash, but with Trump as president (if he's still there), I can't rule it out.
"2021 peak of bear market"
I think 2019-2020 is more likely; 2021 will be the start of a recovery. Tentative "boomlet" in 2022, with unstable economy in 2023-24; and boom very likely from 2025 onward. This may depend on Democrats regaining power. Compare to 1857-61.
I note that Saturn is in Capricorn from late 2018 through 2020. This is not always fatal to the economy, but it's usually a slow time, and sometimes very bad. The Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of Dec.2020 means as usual a new era for the Establishment, and things can change with it, happening every 20 years; especially this time with Pluto along for the ride. Sometimes the economy runs slow just before the conjunction, due to uncertainty. The conjunction resolves things and sets things moving. Pluto USA horoscope Return in 2022 could mean major reforms or disruptions, and Pluto entering Aquarius in 2024 (trine Uranus, and sextile Neptune entering Aries) could stimulate innovation.
Your final prediction is interesting, and coincides with the Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto square Mars alignment in Dec.2020, and the Pluto Return to its USA horoscope placement in 2022, and in effect for 10 years starting this year. The Pluto Return indicates potential transformation due to the Return of the Revolution. Eclipses indicate trouble for Trump if he's in power after the election in 2021. I expect the future of the USA to be up for grabs until the 4T is over in 2028 or 2029.
If we're still around, maybe, we'll see which is better, astrology or fibonacci.
Some important astrological correlations:
The Uranus Return to 9 degrees Gemini, and peak crisis dates:
1607, founding of Jamestown
1692, during King William's War
1776, Independence War declared
1861, Civil War starts, exact return to the minute of arc
1944, D- Day, crisis peak according to S&H, exact return to the minute
2027, next return, next crisis peak.
The exact Day Neptune entered Aries in 1861 + exact day of Uranus Return = Ft. Sumpter bombing.
Neptune enters Aries again 2025-26. Especially Jan.2026. next civil war?
Neptune entering cardinal signs and the beginning dates of S&H dominant generations:
1821 Capricorn = Gilded 1822
1861 Aries = Missionary 1860
1901 Cancer = GI 1901
1943 Libra = Boomer 1943
1984 Capricorn = Millennial 1982
2025 Aries = next prophets aka "Generation A"
Some turning markers:
1773 = Saturn conjunct Neptune 1773
1794 = Uranus opposite Pluto 1793
1820 = Uranus conjunct Neptune 1821, both entering Capricorn
1834 (possible 3T start date) = Neptune entered Aquarius, Uranus entered Pisces 1835
1844 = Uranus conjunct Jupiter and entering Aries 1844
circa 1850 (proposed 4T start date) = Uranus conj. Pluto 1850
1860 = Neptune entered Aries 1861
1865 = Uranus entered Cancer 1865
1886 = Neptune first coming into orb of conjunction with Pluto. Uranus entered Libra
1908 = Uranus opposite Neptune 1908
1929 = Neptune entered Virgo 1929
1946 = Neptune entered Libra 1943, conjunct Jupiter 1945
1964 = Uranus conjunct Pluto 1965-66, first became close/strong in 1964 (and Nov.1963)
1984 = Neptune entered Capricorn 1984
2008 = Pluto entered Capricorn 2008, square Uranus and Saturn
Let's look at some Depressions and Recessions
1837 Neptune entered Aquarius 1834, Uranus entered Pisces 1835
1845-46 (European famine) Neptune entered Pisces 1848
1857 Neptune entered Aries 1861, Uranus entered Gemini 1858, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1861
1873 Neptune entered Taurus 1873, Saturn in Capricorn
1893 Neptune and Pluto conjunction 1892
1920 Uranus entered Pisces 1919, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1921
1929 Neptune entered Virgo 1929, Saturn in Capricorn square Uranus and Pluto in 1930-31
1946 Neptune entered Libra 1943, Uranus entered Cancer 1948-49
1958 Neptune entered Scorpio 1957, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1961
1970 Neptune entered Sagittarius 1970
1973 Uranus entered Scorpio 1974
1979-81 Uranus entered Sagittarius 1982, Jupiter conj. Saturn 1981
1990 Uranus entered Capricorn 1989, Saturn in Capricorn 1990
2000 Jupiter conj Saturn in Taurus 2000, Neptune entered Aquarius 1998
2008 Pluto entered Capricorn 2008, square Uranus and Saturn in 2009-2010
It looks like recessions and depressions happen at or near times when outer planets change signs, and Earth signs and Neptune are key indicators. Saturn in Capricorn and major conjunctions can also be indicators. Some correlations are closer than others.
Let's compare your possible predictions with mine.
"bull market peak, 2017 or 2022"
I think the bull market peak is right now, and 2017 should be good all year.
"2018 peak of a financial crisis"
I think 2018 will be the start of a bear market. I am unsure about a crash, but with Trump as president (if he's still there), I can't rule it out.
"2021 peak of bear market"
I think 2019-2020 is more likely; 2021 will be the start of a recovery. Tentative "boomlet" in 2022, with unstable economy in 2023-24; and boom very likely from 2025 onward. This may depend on Democrats regaining power. Compare to 1857-61.
I note that Saturn is in Capricorn from late 2018 through 2020. This is not always fatal to the economy, but it's usually a slow time, and sometimes very bad. The Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of Dec.2020 means as usual a new era for the Establishment, and things can change with it, happening every 20 years; especially this time with Pluto along for the ride. Sometimes the economy runs slow just before the conjunction, due to uncertainty. The conjunction resolves things and sets things moving. Pluto USA horoscope Return in 2022 could mean major reforms or disruptions, and Pluto entering Aquarius in 2024 (trine Uranus, and sextile Neptune entering Aries) could stimulate innovation.
Your final prediction is interesting, and coincides with the Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto square Mars alignment in Dec.2020, and the Pluto Return to its USA horoscope placement in 2022, and in effect for 10 years starting this year. The Pluto Return indicates potential transformation due to the Return of the Revolution. Eclipses indicate trouble for Trump if he's in power after the election in 2021. I expect the future of the USA to be up for grabs until the 4T is over in 2028 or 2029.