Signs of a Dying Empire

[pbrower2a]

(09-22-2017, 05:09 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(09-21-2017, 09:28 AM)David Horn Wrote: Trump won an unexpected victory, is under investigation for collusion with an adversarial foreign power and has no governing philosophy I can discern.  In what way is that a dominant position in the long term?  That said, ,the Dems are splashing around and clueless, so we have no solid party at the moment.

Let's see how this plays out.  I doubt 2018 will be a tide-turning event, so it's all about 2020.

1.  The only people who didn't expect Trump's victory were those who claimed he had no chance at winning.  I had been watching him since the mid 00's, and since 2000 since he explored running with the Reform Party of Ross Perot fame.  You know, people also said Reagan wouldn't ever be president either.  And as much as I don't care much for Reagan he has to be the one President worth a damn in my lifetime whose name isn't Donald John Trump.

The election itself is under investigation, and we may find how intense and effective the manipulation was. If we ended up with Donald Trump as the result of such manipulation, then we probably have a Republican majority in the Senate as the result.

Donald Trump is unlike any prior President for running as a demagogue. He more resembles Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier in his techniques of getting elected than he resembles... well, Ronald Reagan. At least Ronald Reagan ran against a loud-mouth counterculture that Americans were getting sick of. Donald Trump ran against basic decencies.

Quote:2.  That investigation is going to yield nothing, and the other party always investigates a president of the opposite party for something.  Maybe you have short-term memory loss or something but there were plans afoot to investigate and impeach Bush II, and Obama, and Bill Clinton (who was impeached but nothing came of it).  Sounds like business as usual to me on that front.

Sure it is going nowhere. Russian hacking (or attempted hacking) of the electoral process has been exposed. We are finding that people in the Trump Administration and campaign apparatus show signs of co-ordination. When you look at the activities of Paul Man-o'-Fraud... someone so bad so close to the President hardly gives evidence of integrity.

If you see this acceptable because your idol won, then just think of how things go in 2020 if China or even India tries to interfere in our political process. Both countries have excellent intelligence services, and they have their agendas. I assure you that you would not like it if the Democrats won big in 2020 with the aid of an agency of foreign intelligence.

Quote:3.  I you think he doesn't have a governing ideology then you've not been paying attention, or worse you've been swallowing whole all the nonsense that the Lugenpresse puts out.  Trump is governed by two things:  American Civic Nationalism, pragmatism.

Glorification of the Leader. Government of the Master Class, by the Master Class, and for the Master Class. Vilification of Americans based upon ethnicity and religion. Promotion of visceral attitudes with little concern for consequences.

Quote:As for 2020 I expect him winning in a landslide unless he's murdered.  I'm far more concerned about the Deep State taking him out like they did with JFK.  Fortunately it isn't 1963 anymore and they are less free to act without it coming out thanks to our current level of technology.

He would have to reverse recent polling which has shown between 55% and 60% disapproval. (Yes it has improved for him a bit this week, I concede. But this said, we ordinarily expect people to outgrow the "double-dog-dare":






At least there are usually adults to rescue children from their reckless acceptance of dares. The adults are not in charge in the Trump Administration.

For all his faults, most notably failing to address mass poverty, President Obama at least didn't offer any "double-dog dares", let alone "triple-dog dares". By 2020 we will want the President most similar to Barack Obama in agenda and temperament.