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Signs of a Dying Empire
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(10-14-2017, 10:17 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(10-14-2017, 09:55 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(10-05-2017, 05:21 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-15-2017, 03:43 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The degradation of American democracy has happened in stages, and the election of Donald Trump could be the start of the last stage. Could be. My most optimistic hope is that America reverts to its old pattern of a liberal-conservative divide in which quality matters more in politics than does ideology.

The problem the US empire faces is the changing logic violence where projecting power is becoming harder relative to defense.   As James Dale Davidson have said, "The most important causes of change are not to be found in political manifestos or in the pronouncements of dead economists, but in the hidden factors that alter the boundaries where power is exercised. Often, subtle changes in climate, topography, microbes, and technology alter the logic of violence."  This is what is shaping the demise of the nation-state and the US empire.  Trump is an effect not a cause.

The petrodollar is what has been keeping the US empire going since 1973 and the middle east wars of the last sixteen years are part of an effort to keep it going.  Once the petrodollar goes down, which looks like it will happen in the next five to ten years, then the US empire goes down with it.  I suggest you read the following two articles which describe the current state fo the empire as well as anything I have seen recently.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2...in-us.html
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2...-gold.html

While the next quote from James Dale Davidson will annoy most of you hear it contains much truth and you would do well to contemplate it.  The cultural equivalence that the SJW crowd believes in is completely absurd.

"Cultures are not matters of taste but systems of adaptation to specific circumstances that may prove irrelevant or even counterproductive in other settings."
-James Dale Davidson, The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age.

The US empire existed for a quarter century before the petrodollar.  Ultimately it's based on geography - the US geographic position on both of the world's major oceans.  There's every likelihood that the US could find a way to keep the empire going for the rest of the century, should it so choose.

I think you're missing a key factor.  What are the top exports of the US by volume.  Corn, Soybeans and timber.  What are is top imports, oil and consumer goods.  Considering that countries that typically export food and raw materials and import finished goods are third world countries, by definition, the end of the petrodollar would necessitate a transition to third world living standards.

And that assumes the state survives the hyperinflation that will ensue once all that debt starts coming back home.  Governments typically don't survive periods of hyperinflation, as Latin America can attest to (never mind Africa).

Since unlike Zimbabwe we don't have a single party state headed by a charismatic strong man (protests by the libtards not withstanding) the most likely outcome would be a military coup d'etat in the US should the petrodollar fail.

The fact is that the petrodollar allows the US to export its inflation problem (a problem inherent to fiat currencies) because if one cannot use US dollars to buy anything but corn, soybeans or timber then there is no reason to hoard vast reserves of US debt.

Unlike the libtards and Dims you have grasped why the US Empire is coming to the end of the line.  Davidson and Lord Rees-Mogg once noted that the Soviet Union was Bangladesh with nuclear weapons.  This is the ultimate destination of the US unless it starts downsizing its empire and government which I don't see the political class being willing to do.

Its for damn certain that the libtards and Dims won't and there is only a slim chance of that happening with the R's.  The R's have a slightly stronger sense of self-preservation which makes them only slightly more likely to accept the end of the empire.  Either way the odds are not particularly promising.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken

If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.   -- Ludwig von Mises
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Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-15-2017, 01:44 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by noway2 - 09-15-2017, 02:54 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-15-2017, 03:43 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-15-2017, 07:06 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-15-2017, 11:51 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-16-2017, 01:49 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 09-19-2017, 09:47 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Mikebert - 09-17-2017, 03:32 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-17-2017, 09:37 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-17-2017, 11:56 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-18-2017, 10:11 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by noway2 - 09-19-2017, 03:23 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-19-2017, 05:24 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-19-2017, 09:34 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-19-2017, 09:45 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-19-2017, 09:48 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-19-2017, 10:59 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-20-2017, 01:10 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by noway2 - 09-20-2017, 02:53 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 09-20-2017, 04:22 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by noway2 - 09-22-2017, 03:26 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 09-22-2017, 04:40 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 09-19-2017, 09:43 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-05-2017, 05:21 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 10-05-2017, 10:49 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-06-2017, 03:19 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 10-05-2017, 12:47 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 10-06-2017, 11:24 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 10-14-2017, 09:55 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 10-14-2017, 10:17 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 10-16-2017, 10:24 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-18-2017, 05:27 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 10-18-2017, 12:02 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-18-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 10-19-2017, 02:51 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-20-2017, 03:01 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 10-20-2017, 07:11 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 10-21-2017, 08:14 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 10-22-2017, 12:40 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 08-19-2018, 02:32 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 06-25-2019, 09:09 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 10-16-2017, 11:46 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-18-2017, 05:40 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-15-2017, 07:43 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-16-2017, 02:03 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-16-2017, 07:43 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-16-2017, 10:22 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-17-2017, 12:21 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-16-2017, 02:42 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Warren Dew - 09-16-2017, 05:15 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-19-2017, 12:51 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-20-2017, 05:27 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Ragnarök_62 - 09-20-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-20-2017, 08:27 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 09-21-2017, 09:28 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-22-2017, 05:09 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-22-2017, 05:16 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 09-23-2017, 08:41 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-23-2017, 10:28 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 11-30-2020, 03:37 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 09-21-2017, 10:01 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by noway2 - 09-22-2017, 03:28 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 09-22-2017, 04:43 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-22-2017, 05:17 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-29-2017, 11:32 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 10-02-2017, 03:07 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 09-30-2017, 12:01 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 10-02-2017, 01:02 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-07-2017, 09:02 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 10-09-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Galen - 10-14-2017, 07:44 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 10-14-2017, 09:13 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Kinser79 - 10-09-2017, 09:08 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 10-14-2017, 10:01 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by noway2 - 10-18-2017, 12:17 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 06-19-2018, 04:13 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 06-24-2019, 12:47 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 06-25-2019, 12:32 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 06-27-2019, 05:27 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Bill the Piper - 06-27-2019, 12:56 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 06-27-2019, 01:25 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 08-03-2021, 02:45 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 08-03-2021, 05:40 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by galaxy - 08-03-2021, 02:34 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 08-04-2021, 02:44 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 04-25-2022, 09:20 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-04-2022, 12:10 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by JasonBlack - 05-04-2022, 06:10 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-05-2022, 12:58 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 05-05-2022, 02:30 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-05-2022, 09:03 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by JasonBlack - 05-06-2022, 02:00 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 05-06-2022, 06:57 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 05-06-2022, 11:35 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by JasonBlack - 05-06-2022, 02:50 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 05-07-2022, 12:04 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-07-2022, 08:04 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 05-09-2022, 02:06 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 05-09-2022, 11:12 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-10-2022, 02:21 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 07-03-2022, 07:02 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-06-2022, 10:33 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by JasonBlack - 05-06-2022, 02:25 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 05-07-2022, 12:07 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by David Horn - 05-07-2022, 06:51 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by beechnut79 - 05-07-2022, 11:57 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-07-2022, 07:23 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by JasonBlack - 05-08-2022, 02:52 PM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by Eric the Green - 05-09-2022, 01:54 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-18-2022, 01:10 AM
RE: Signs of a Dying Empire - by pbrower2a - 05-18-2022, 01:24 AM

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