My 4000th post!
In college in the 1950s a common joke about females in college was that they were seeking "Mrs" degrees, using college as a more fit time to seek out marriageable men (and college was back then more exclusively an elite phenomenon. She got a teaching degree so that she could supplement her husband's meager early earnings while he was on the fast track to economic success or help him get through med school or law school. . Once he was established, she got pregnant and gave up teaching. If she were more elite she got a liberal arts degree as a supplement to his degree in the sciences, engineering, accountancy, etc.
As for minorities being more in the workforce -- for black graduates of high school in San Diego in 1951 the destination of the majority was domestic work. High-school graduation was still above average learning, which says much about expectations for blacks. Now when it comes to blacks in the South -- many were still farm labor. Asians were here in far smaller numbers. Hispanics? If they had jobs, then those were usually ill-paid, as in farm labor.
As for women competing with me for jobs -- brute force is rarely a bona fide occupatiional qualification (BFOQ) for most work.
Americans did not war, but they certainly did not like Hitler, who offended one group of Americans after another for his brutality, violence, and racism. It's easy to understand why Jews hated him from his first anti-Jewish statement. Then came German-American gentiles whose conservatism or liberalism clashed with Nazi ideology. Then came organized labor which hated the peonization of the German working class. Czech-Americans are a small group to be offended by Nazi tyranny in early 1939, but there are far more Polish-Americans who had cause for rage after reports of Nazi atrocities. Then one group of people by national origin after another -- Danes, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, French, Serbs, and Greeks.
African-Americans understood well that the Aryan ideal did not include them... especially when the Nazis' assertions of Aryan supremacy sounded little different from what the KKK said.
America has always had a large Anglophile current due to cultural origins of America... and Churchill sounded more like a new Lincoln.
(I tried to get an image of Churchill with an image of Lincoln from WWII, but it did not take).
We had the plurality in 2016 for President and still lost. We had the plurality for the US House and Senate in 2012 and still lost. Your side's luck may be running out because it lacks the decency to hold onto adequate support.
Millions show in approval polls that they already regret voting for Donald Trump.
(08-13-2018, 10:32 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(08-13-2018, 12:23 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: This 4T will culminate when people start deciding what the undeniable truths are. "We do not need a despotic King (George III) interfering in everything, and we cannot tolerate anarchy" fit the Crisis of 1780. "Slavery is incompatible with our democratic ideals" was the message of Abraham Lincoln in more and better words until the world's second-greatest military power at the start of the Civil War collapsed. "Government has responsibility for the overall direction of the economy, and fascism must die" was the consensus of the Crisis of 1940.
Neither of us knows what the consensus of the Crisis of 2020 will be. When we have a 55-45 split instead of a 51-49 split on core values, we will know what that consensus is. Maybe Donald Trump will grind us down so that we get to live only as serfs in a high-tech version of feudalism. Maybe he will show us through his many blunders what is necessary.
By the way -- I would rather that we spread the economic activity more evenly as it was in the 1950s. That would solve much of the "blue" and "red" divide in politics that is effectively regional.
Economic activity was way more limited ( primarily able bodied/minded males and a much smaller portion of able bodied/minded females and minorities) during the 1950's than it is today. Who all are you (blue males) competing with today that your mom and dad weren't competing with during the 1950's as far as the American work force? YOU ARE/WERE COMPETING WITH EVERYBODY WHO WORK IN THE SAME FIELD AS YOU. A WOMAN COULD REPLACE YOU. A MINORITY COULD BE CHOSEN INSTEAD OF YOU OR CHOSEN TO REPLACE YOU. Now, I don't run into female HVAC tech's or installers much in the HVAC field. I went to school with one during the 80's. As I recall, she was a pretty good trouble shooter and she was able to hold her own with males.
In college in the 1950s a common joke about females in college was that they were seeking "Mrs" degrees, using college as a more fit time to seek out marriageable men (and college was back then more exclusively an elite phenomenon. She got a teaching degree so that she could supplement her husband's meager early earnings while he was on the fast track to economic success or help him get through med school or law school. . Once he was established, she got pregnant and gave up teaching. If she were more elite she got a liberal arts degree as a supplement to his degree in the sciences, engineering, accountancy, etc.
As for minorities being more in the workforce -- for black graduates of high school in San Diego in 1951 the destination of the majority was domestic work. High-school graduation was still above average learning, which says much about expectations for blacks. Now when it comes to blacks in the South -- many were still farm labor. Asians were here in far smaller numbers. Hispanics? If they had jobs, then those were usually ill-paid, as in farm labor.
As for women competing with me for jobs -- brute force is rarely a bona fide occupatiional qualification (BFOQ) for most work.
Quote:BTW, fascism abroad was tolerated until it's ally attacked us and forced it to declare war on us. You must have forgotten about that important fact. It's pretty hard to ignore a major attack and a couple of formal declarations of war made against you. The American blue is about the only American other than a complete idiot who is able to ignore them and continue on acting as if nothing significant has happened and nothing significant has changed at all.
Americans did not war, but they certainly did not like Hitler, who offended one group of Americans after another for his brutality, violence, and racism. It's easy to understand why Jews hated him from his first anti-Jewish statement. Then came German-American gentiles whose conservatism or liberalism clashed with Nazi ideology. Then came organized labor which hated the peonization of the German working class. Czech-Americans are a small group to be offended by Nazi tyranny in early 1939, but there are far more Polish-Americans who had cause for rage after reports of Nazi atrocities. Then one group of people by national origin after another -- Danes, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, French, Serbs, and Greeks.
African-Americans understood well that the Aryan ideal did not include them... especially when the Nazis' assertions of Aryan supremacy sounded little different from what the KKK said.
America has always had a large Anglophile current due to cultural origins of America... and Churchill sounded more like a new Lincoln.
(I tried to get an image of Churchill with an image of Lincoln from WWII, but it did not take).
Quote:I think you and every other blue should continue on your path of ignorance and eventual collision with a segment of the American population that aren't all that much different than those mean old bastards who rolled their eyes and talked down and never showed much interest in your group or seemed to care what happened to your group.
We had the plurality in 2016 for President and still lost. We had the plurality for the US House and Senate in 2012 and still lost. Your side's luck may be running out because it lacks the decency to hold onto adequate support.
Millions show in approval polls that they already regret voting for Donald Trump.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.