01-20-2019, 08:47 PM
(01-20-2019, 12:07 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: [quote pid='41009' dateline='1547950167']
What interest to do you (Eric the Green) think or believe that you have in all the machinery and profits associated with my business or anyone else's business? The blues are sure making a lot of important business decisions for local business owners/ local employers that are located in their urban areas these days. I mean, allowing people to work thirty hours of work for forty hours of pay is an important business decision for blues to be making for its business owners these days. I mean, doubling or tripling wages of their employees is another important business decision that blues have made for its business owners as well. I'm not sure how long they'll be able to afford doing business that way or how long they'll opt to remain in business or how long people will be able to afford to do business with them with the blues making important business decisions that increases the cost/price associated with the consumers/customers these days. I can see why stuff could get really screwed up/messed up in some blue urban areas and some blue states within a decade or so.
The productivity of 1900 required that multitudes work 60-70 hour weeks just to meet the productive needs of the most technologically-advanced countries. The productivity of the 1930s had reduced the need for so many hours of work to meet such needs. The Great Depression in part reflects the reduction in the need for labor -- and wise political leaders in the democracies chose to make the 40-hour workweek the norm. Countries like Britain, America, and France turned what would have been unemployment into leisure. Contrast Nazi Germany, a worker's nightmare, where hours of employment increased -- for building show projects and of course the war machine dedicated to the enslavement of millions while German industrial workers even lost the freedom to change jobs without the permission of their employers (which is serfdom in the modern world).
We may need to go to the 30-hour workweek and encourage people to make appropriate adjustments -- with higher pay for the hours that they work.
Quote:We aren't socialist/fascist yet and I don't see a large portion of America converting/submitting to socialists, Communists or fascists without violence and significant amount of casualties and all kinds of pain and suffering being felt by millions upon millions of people. Blue America on the other hand seems to be getting pretty close to becoming one or the other or a lethal combination of all of them. Honestly, I don't know who is what these days. The fascist seemed to follow or subscribe to the same basic left wing ideological belief as the blues these days. I guess that's an issue for blues to sort out and determine among themselves.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'socialism'. Do you mean the Soviet nightmare with a centrally-planned economy that always fares worse than capitalism? Do you mean "democratic socialism", which means that the government owns stuff but is responsible to the people through the political process? People capable of making their own solutions through a political process might as well be small-scale capitalists. Social democracy? That requires a strong capitalist economy, so that isn't really socialism.
Fascist? Trump encompasses all of the 14 warning signs of fascism according to Laurence Britt, and all fourteen ways of looking at fascism according to the late Umberto Eco. Either way one sees it, fascism is political pathology entirely to be avoided.
Quote:I bet Hitler and his crony's ate well as their utopian world was coming apart at the seams and crumbling down all around them. Does Nancy have a clue as to how powerful and resilient and determined the real American people are during real crisis's and major wars that matter as far as American survival goes. Your Millie's ain't quite up par with the old GI's. Of coarse, the old GI's didn't really have a choice to vote themselves out of a war or obtain a college deferment to avoid being drafted and being sent to fight a war or the right to vote themselves out of college debt or the right vote themselves out of foreclosure or the right to vote for a free college degree or the right to vote to receive free healthcare or the right to drink at 18 or the right to smoke pot or the right to vote for a guaranteed job that pays a middle income wage. Yes, I have a pretty good idea of what blues are about and a pretty good idea of what kind of government that the blues will need to elect and a pretty good idea of how the utopian blue world will eventually end up as well. I say thanks for the offer but I'm not interested in becoming a blue.[/quote}
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Eating well? That is the norm for the middle class and much of the working class. Some Americans endure food insecurity, but such reflects the extreme disparity of economic result in America as the result of economic choices of our right-wingers. Let us remember that the GIs saw a government uniformly sympathetic to their economic interests while Millennial adults saw such only for a couple of years in 2009 and 2010. The economic elites who believe that the common man has a duty to compete to show who can suffer most for those elites in a contest to decide who deserves survival have had continuing influence in American political life through the 4T. Their dream is of German productivity on African wages. Those elites believe in a managed economy with themselves as the managers deciding who wins and who fails. I have heard such called 'socialism for the rich'.
But here is how you could benefit from America becoming more 'blue' in its politics: you are in the Twin Cities area, where air conditioning isn't quite a necessity as it is in Kansas City. Air conditioning is not quite a necessity for housing in places like Grand Rapids or Lansing -- yet. It can make life more pleasant, at least on those sultry days of midsummer when the temperature and humidity both soar. If income is more evenly distributed, more people would get air conditioning, and you would have more business.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.