05-04-2019, 03:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-04-2019, 03:47 PM by Eric the Green.)
(05-03-2019, 04:05 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(05-03-2019, 12:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:Well, I don't care if you still identify with being an immigrant and still view yourself as being one today. However, I'm pretty sure that you still have legal documentation that proves that you're an American citizen and separates you from the legal immigrants and the illegal immigrants as well if needed or required by others as proof. Now, if I understand that there's a difference and you understand that there's a difference then I don't what the problem is other than the obvious differences between our interests today. Yes, Americans are all related to legal immigration from some other place (country or continent) and human migration from some other land mass or continent that took place around 50,000 years ago. BTW, you don't think all those leftist revolutions and civil wars fought between leftists and fascist like dictatorships during the 70's and 80's has had anything to do with the wide scale poverty and lack of social stability and government inability and lawlessness that they've been experiencing for a few decades.(05-01-2019, 10:27 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(04-29-2019, 10:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:Immigrants applied to those who arrived 150 years ago, and US citizens applied to all the American generations who were born after them.(04-29-2019, 07:26 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The word immigrant no longer applies to most American citizens these days. Yes, there was a time when most Americans where immigrants like a hundred and fifty years ago on my fathers side and well over two hundred years ago on my mothers side. I dunno, I hope we don't see the day when Mexican Americans naturally divide or split between those who still primarily identify as Mexicans and those who primarily identify as Americans. I think things are going to get ugly if the current negative crap that's going on with the liberals these days continues. I'd say the reason we're seeing so many asylum seekers coming in mass is because the global blues understand that the good old days of taking advantage of America is on the verge of coming to an end. I like what Trump threatened to do about the illegal immigrant issue. Hell, I suggested doing something similar myself a while ago. Of coarse, he's not suggesting to remove your border security personnel and eliminate your boarder walls like me. He's just suggesting the idea of busing them in mass and releasing them in blue areas like yours for the blues to deal with right now. Like I've said, Trump is willing to give the bluer American folks a chance to prove themselves to the rest of America at this point. I've already told you that I'm not going to be there to save you or defend you when things start getting rough in blue areas.
Immigrants 100 or 150 years ago, and immigrants today. No difference. We are a nation of immigrants. Our history, our heritage, our essence, is one of immigrants coming to this land. Republicans shot down reforms that would have smoothed out the system, preferring fear and prejudice. Now they are reaping the consequences. The more Trump threatens to "end" the "good old days of taking advantage of America," the more they come, because we fail to help those people to rid themselves of their banana republic system and continue through our support for climate change to ruin their lands.
You have your own challenge in Minnesota, because you have not yet managed to turn your state red. It's probably going back to its long-time blue heritage now, which has brought it such benefits.
Interestingly, I was reading about the global warming episode 56 million years ago called The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) https://www.wunderground.com/climate/PETM a fascinating episode in Earth history when to adapt many mammals including our ancestors moved north to colder regions. Today's Republican-caused global warming is heating up the planet 10 times faster, and probably farther than the PETM (which started from a much warmer base climate), and now too humans are adapting by fleeing the tropical drought-stricken areas and moving north. You Classic Xer cannot stop the whirlwind of global migration, which your Reaganomics policies have caused because they stopped the needed regulations to encourage and bring about the transition to an economy that emits less greenhouse gases.
Arbitrary definition. Americans are all immigrants. Ultimately, everyone not of African descent and living in Africa is an immigrant. Similarly, immigrants arriving today will be the parents of US citizens in the future. Same deal. The idea of first come first grab is no idea that gives you any moral authority over more-recent immigrants. Human beings move around on this planet, and have for at least 50,000 years.
The accident of where you were born at a particular time is the only difference. As far as being human and deserving of respect and fair treatment is concerned, I don't see that this makes a difference.
The widespread poverty and instability of certain lands south of the border is due to the rulership of banana bosses supported by American corporations and American or American-trained military and death squads. Failure of revolutions against those dictatorships, not the revolutions themselves, is responsible for those problems.
I don't base my entire view of history on labels. Quite a few regimes called "leftist" have been harmful and oppressive. It depends on the behavior of those regimes, and how much freedom and prosperity they bring through policies that help the people, whether they lead to an exodus or not. Trickle-down economics that benefits only rich landowners and foreign corporations, such as you advocate, does not help the people, any more than an oiligarchic kleptocracy like Venezuela or a tyrannical communist monarchy like North Korea helps the people.