Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-19-2020, 09:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trying to preserve an Unraveling agenda (especially of the Degeneracy phase) into a Crisis Era is as ineffective as trying to promote Awakening style in an Unraveling Era, mindless conformity of the High pattern into an Awakening, or apocalyptic hatred of a Crisis  into a High. Just think of what a disaster we would have had had Americans decided to let the Soviet Union squeeze West Berlin because of what Germans had recently done. 

Howe and Strauss called behavior from the previous era 'post-seasonal', which would be like planting corn crops in the summer or like wearing swim trunks for a dip in the old swimming hole in November in a Dfa climate (fire and ice as in Chicago). We had a thoroughly-rotten (and truly degenerate) last half of the recent Unraveling, and we are best off to avoid another such time ever, although the cycle suggests a reprise of such in the 2080's, complete with another speculative boom that devours wealth while creating garish displays of fake prosperity.

Well, you could try to sustain an unraveling agenda until a regeneracy hit, and the people empower the progressive agenda.  Trump is still trying to be Reagan, and there has still been no regeneracy.

And the pattern of turnings has changed, and may not reestablish itself, given the start of the Information Age.  We seem to have seen transformation by legislature in the awakening, a red/blue split in the idealist generation, no crisis wars, and no regeneracy.  Thus you have to take anything in the Industrial Age turning pattern with a grain of salt.  You might be looking for things in the pattern that never happen.

So until you see something like a regeneracy where the progressive agenda is embraced and empowered, I expect the conservatives will try to stick with the unraveling playbook.  Perhaps they will give the old agenda lip service even after it should be clear that the culture has moved on.  At this point I don’t anticipate they will succeed, at least until the new progressive have established a new pattern, at which point the conservatives will establish a new pattern.  Trying to keep the old ideals alive past their time is why Buchanan, Hoover, Bush 43 (and likely Trump) are not remembered fondly by history.  The old ideals are usually a disaster.  There is generally a need for change by the time the regeneracy comes around.