01-11-2021, 11:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-11-2021, 11:12 PM by Eric the Green.)
(01-11-2021, 07:03 PM)mamabug Wrote:(01-11-2021, 09:19 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The putsch of Trump supporters, had it succeeded in its objective, would have established a Trump dictatorship.
Jan 6 was not a putsch, it was not a coup, and had it 'succeeded' it would have resulted in precisely nothing. To count it as an actual threat is to believe that establishing Chaz was equivalent to the South seceding. Neither event had the actors involved who were remotely close to having the ability to grab hold of and maintain control over the levers of power and both were easily suppressed once the actual powers in this country chose to do so. The one thing both groups learned is that their actions will only be tolerated as long as they don't impact our betters (cf: what happened to Chaz after they marched on the mayor's house).
I'm in agreement with Warren that thinking of this as a Republican v. Democrat battle is a fallacy. The real ideological split that is threatening to break is within the Democrat party itself. There was a reason the establishment dragged Biden out of retirement to run. There is a reason neither he nor Pelosi plan to continue their political careers past the next 2-4 years. Revolutionary eras always begin with an attempt to compromise, which is exactly what the Biden-Harris administration was positioned as. A sharp divide runs down the middle of the democrat base, as seen by how Biden's win did nothing to lessen ongoing protests. Unless he can manage to stabilize the center (the true center, not just the Center-left) and exert firm control over the party's more extremist elements, this is the likely true battle of the 4T and how it will play out is anyone's guess.
That we have yet to see the emergence of a true Visionary leader that will layout a plan for America's future is concerning. Most of the proposals being discussed are just variations on the continual late 3T to 4T subjects of healthcare, gun control and climate change. No great ideal, bigger picture, or inspiring slogan.
Although, I recognize I could be 100% wrong and the Crisis is nearing it's conclusion. In which case, I'm kind of happy that this was as bad as the Civil War 2.0 got. I can live with people being banned from twitter as the worst consequence because, within about 10 years, our lovely little artists will start telling us how wrong we are to do that and begin opening society up again.
I don't know what "establishing Chaz" means. Is this some internet gaming term only millennials understand? Why assume boomers would know what it is? Don't worry, I'm not angry just sarcastic.
I think Democrats on the Left are so used to buckling under and going along with the center-left that they will never change. They are used to it. These days, the issues are so pressing that the two wings are not that far apart. The times demand radical change after 40 years of regression and stalemate. The Democrats know they need to act as a bloc now, because the right-wing is so fanatical and so monolithic it's the only way they can win.
I don't know yet if this is a revolutionary era. If so, then it can only mean that the Left is able to foment and organize one. That would mean it takes over the Democratic Party, not get firm control exerted over it. How revolutionary it is will depend on the Right-wing, the Republican Party. How much they are able to block, will determine how far the Democrats need to push to get them out of the f**king way.
Banning seditionists and nazis from social media is hardly closing up society that artists will open up. Gen Z fully supports and will fully support liberation from the Trumpists and neo-liberals.
I don't think there is any other vision than what has been described since the 1960s. It probably won't take a visionary. Just a likable Democratic candidate who gives the impression of being a leader. Several candidates are available. The biggest danger to our future today is that the Democrats might choose the wrong candidate (Kamala Harris).