06-02-2017, 09:47 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-02-2017, 09:59 AM by Eric the Green.)
No I don't watch 1950s westerns. Guns do not concern a valid "culture," and the issue does not depend on "values." We all value safety. This is a public safety question on the use of a particular technology used to kill. We have different views on (among other things) how possession and use of guns affect public safety and self-defense.
Yes, it is wise to accept that people have different views. My views are based on my best evidence and my best knowledge of truth, and the ideals and values I hold. All people share a lot of the same values. I can always learn more.
Integral philosophy and spiral dynamics (and planetary dynamics) shows the stages and evolution of different cultural values. As you say, these cultures came into existence for valid reasons at their stage, "and members of said cultures still think those reasons valid." That is in accord with integral philosophy and spiral/planetary dynamics. At their best, higher stages transcend and include the lower ones. Different people are at different stages and hold the corresponding values memes. Cynic Hero is stuck on the red or Mars meme. I am between green (Pluto) and yellow (solar) memes. You are primarily between the orange (Uranus) stage, and the lemon (Neptune) stage. Your empirical science views may still be at the brown (Saturn) stage, apparently, to the extent they are based on Newtonian mechanics, rather than Einstein and quantum theories that understand the role of the observer (not the Many Worlds interpretation which is an attempt to evade it and preserve Newton-era science).
Yes, it is wise to accept that people have different views. My views are based on my best evidence and my best knowledge of truth, and the ideals and values I hold. All people share a lot of the same values. I can always learn more.
Integral philosophy and spiral dynamics (and planetary dynamics) shows the stages and evolution of different cultural values. As you say, these cultures came into existence for valid reasons at their stage, "and members of said cultures still think those reasons valid." That is in accord with integral philosophy and spiral/planetary dynamics. At their best, higher stages transcend and include the lower ones. Different people are at different stages and hold the corresponding values memes. Cynic Hero is stuck on the red or Mars meme. I am between green (Pluto) and yellow (solar) memes. You are primarily between the orange (Uranus) stage, and the lemon (Neptune) stage. Your empirical science views may still be at the brown (Saturn) stage, apparently, to the extent they are based on Newtonian mechanics, rather than Einstein and quantum theories that understand the role of the observer (not the Many Worlds interpretation which is an attempt to evade it and preserve Newton-era science).