Debate about Gun Control

[Eric the Green]

(10-16-2017, 11:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-16-2017, 04:30 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-16-2017, 03:39 PM)noway2 Wrote: In this so called "unified" United States, the rights enumerated (not granted, simply expressed, as their already inherent) under the constitution are already under attack.  The founding fathers had enough wisdom to realize that an armed populace is going to be much harder to railroad by a tyrannical, out of control, government.  An armed populace actually has the option of force for when reason inevitably fails.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the by the end of this 4th turning the United States may very well be broken up into a form of confederacy of regions or states and will no longer be the federal republic.  As Eric points out, the "blue" regions would have no issues enacting gun restrictions and would undoubtedly do so.  Of course, the denizens will quickly realize what happens in a society when only the government has a monopoly on force and the quislings, such as the media pundits, will quickly learn how badly they've been played.

Yeah, because Europeans are so oppressed and all that.  

Compared to Americans, the Europeans are oppressed.

They are just oppressed by different people. Europeans still have the vestiges of a class system, and just as much resentment against immigrants and foreigners; but Americans are oppressed by businessmen. Europeans pay more taxes, which red-state and red-county Americans call "oppression," but it's not oppression, because (unlike in America) they DO get something for their money; like free health care and education, and wonderful transportation systems. Some European countries have less stringent safeguards for free speech and religion and such (no constitution or bill of rights), but on the other hand they have up to date parliamentary systems instead of the elected (or selected) king that we have; and by the way their elections are not as dominated by money, and they don't go on forever like ours do. And they are ahead of us in caring for their environment, which is ourselves, and our lives. And, of course, they don't have maniacs on the street killing people everywhere, without restriction and without the people giving a damn about it, as is happening here. Red/purple state/county Americans call their gun laws "oppression," but it's not, because the government is not thereby given permission to imprison or shoot them, as Americans fear-- BUT as does happen here in America all the time even with our permissive gun laws. And Americans consider gun laws to be "oppression," but it means more freedom to walk the streets and go to concerts. And their businessmen are not as cheap and mean as American businessmen are; workers get 3 or 4 times more time off, and flexible work schedules.

No, I'd say the Europeans are still well ahead of Americans when it comes to freedom and oppression. We could learn from them, instead of insulting them as Republicans do.