Debate about Gun Control

[Eric the Green]

(08-16-2016, 10:32 PM)Copperfield Wrote: Still conflating "gun deaths" with gun related homicide and violent crime I see? Once again, even the studies done by the Brady Campaign show zero correlation between firearm related homicide rates and state law. When factoring in all homicide rates, the correlation is even less.

That doesn't change the correlation with gun deaths, even if true that there's no correlation to gun murders (which it is not, necessarily; according to stats I and others have posted ad infinitum), and even if you don't think that suicides and accidents count as deaths (which of course they do). It's fair to say that stats are conflicting when restricted to homicides alone, but other firearm crimes tend to happen in states with weak laws. I question whether it's fair to say that a city like Chicago should have low gun crime because it has strict gun laws. There are other causes of crime, and guns can be gotten from outside the city or the state quite easily, in a country that has the most guns in the world by far. But overall, Illinois still has lower gun deaths than permissive states, as the chart above shows. In a state like Maryland, the gun laws are new, and it takes time for them to work.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-law...nd-crimes/

When it comes to massacres, America leads the world in them, and America has the most permissive military weapons possession laws. And it matters, even if massacres are a small proportion of murders. These are innocent people killed for no reason, just as are some of the victims of American drone strikes or American arms shipments.