Debate about Gun Control

[Copperfield]

(08-18-2016, 11:43 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(08-18-2016, 09:48 PM)Copperfield Wrote:

1. Nice gun there.
2. I see a nicotine delivery device with it.   [ A stogie with matching stogie cutter. ]
3. I agree that NZ's gun laws are a bureaucratic rat's maze. Why would anyone need to jot down their employer on a firearms license?  I also agree the fees are utterly stupid.  With that said, one look at the BATF site makes NZ look sane.
4. I think Arizona has the right idea.  "If you [Federal Government" wants to enforce gun laws, have at it, but we're not gonna help.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...ws-n185326

Thanks. It was the first fire firearm I ever purchased with my own money, many moons ago (back in the days when you still had to order such specialty items from catalogs instead of the interwebs). My first of three Smith and Wessons. I've learned more about shooting and accuracy from that weapon than any other firearm. The recoil requires consciousness, focus and a relaxed hand to control.

There is a bottle of locally distilled, 150+ year old (the recipe, not the bottle itself), sailor's rum back there too (marked as being from the very 1st batch - only to be opened at the end of the world). I wanted to make sure the photo was fully ATF compliant.

The ATF is great for demonstrating just how little Americans understand the system they live under and how the laws they live under are written and function. Very little of the laws/regulations that the ATF enforces were ever actually voted on by the people or their representatives. Instead, they were written by bureaucrats within the department and subject to change without notice. That's how the US works. Your average person doesn't actually have any say in the laws they live under. Excessively vague frameworks are written by politicians on the take with details filled out by bureaucrats on the take after thorough vetting by all involved political parties, lobbies and business interests (you guessed it, all on the take). In essence this is what infamous political skank Nancy Pelosi was referring to with her "we have to pass it to see what is in it" comment. These clowns don't even write law anymore. They have delegated that responsibility to monied interests along with all of the rest. In the practical sense, the ATF is a useless organization. As a teaching tool however, they are priceless.

As an example, the previously mentioned 922® ATF regulation. It was meant, more or less, as a way to ban foreign rifles like the AK-47. But as with all laws, any attempt to definitively declare exactly what is illegal means that anything not specifically declared is also by definition, perfect legal. Under this law a 100% Russian (or Bulgarian, or Chinese) AK-47 would be illegal. So instead companies just import the receiver, bolt and barrel (you know, the actual gun), slap on enough American-made cosmetics for ATF compliance purposes and put it out on the sales floor. Hence, while my Saiga 12 is according to Hoyle American-Made, it still has the official Izhvesk factory stamp on the receiver. The regulation is so ridiculous that to my knowledge, no one has ever been prosecuted for breaking it. I'm sure they would be hard pressed even making a court case out of it.