09-07-2016, 07:08 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-07-2016, 07:13 PM by Eric the Green.)
(09-07-2016, 04:27 PM)Copperfield Wrote:(09-07-2016, 12:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: And our democracy does not depend on a bunch of gun fanatics who refuse to go beyond their fearful ignorance. And armies have never been made up of militias composed of individual firearm owners. You seem to forget that little detail. States provide for armies by taxing their citizens and providing arms to the soldiers they draft or hire.
Still trotting out that factually incorrect argument? Many of the military units in the American Civil War were militia (especially early on). As for your inevitable "but that was 150 years ago!", please see my above link on Kurdish People's Protection Units.
I don't think you can take that very far. The Union and Confederate armies were classic state armies pretty soon, with a draft and big state military industrial complex behind them, and the Kurds are quite an efficient army now too, who get weapons from the good old USA courtesy of us taxpayers, and don't just bring their own.
If the individual gun owners are going to rebel or protect themselves from the government, they will need to set up a state and army of their own just like Dixie did. If they hope to win, they will need generals even more brilliant than Bobby Lee and Stonewall Jackson too.
Fanatics with guns are not who protects our rights. Believe it or not, it is the law, the courts and the police who do that, at least when they are doing what they are supposed to do. A gun-totin' fanatic has never been seen protecting anyone's rights, except perhaps their own "right" to their gun and the lands they have squatted on; usually to no avail. They might parade around black lives matter rallies, but do you suppose they have helped protect young blacks from the police? What would happen if they tried?