Debate about Gun Control

[Galen]

(09-28-2016, 03:04 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(09-28-2016, 02:44 AM)Galen Wrote:

(09-28-2016, 02:02 AM)taramarie Wrote: I do think it would be a wise idea to make it compulsory for new gun owners to be instructed in how to use a gun wisely and store it wisely. Just my safety first belief. I think that is totally corrupt regarding only being able to get a gun by bribing the sheriff as well as not allowing people to defend themselves. It should be a persons right after all. But it should be compulsory to train people correctly. However I am aware that the country is divided so it is not as simple as one law for all like it is here in NZ. I would be interested in what you think could bring down shootings further and what the issues really are.

You are way too trusting where government and its officials are concerned.  Give people power, particularly those that seek it, and it is guaranteed they will misuse it.  The cops used to get away with this kind of crap routinely until cell phones with cameras became common.  Cops do not like to be held accountable and this method of taking revenge is pretty common.

As for accidents, statistically they are so rare as to be practically non-existent and that number seems to get lower over time so it is clear that gun owners are, on the whole, taking responsibility for saftey.  The criminals don't give a shit and no law is going to change that.


As it is currently, giving the government more power is turning out to be more dangerous than doing nothing.  Remember, I have lived in places where entire police departments were corrupt and the problem is either getting worse or technology is making it more apparent.

It sounds though like you are trusting of the NRA so why not have a common high standard of training and then leave it up to people on whether they live up to those standards. Also teach kids at an early age of the dangers of weapons when misused so they are already aware. A common standard for all or at least where America is concerned state by state (if they choose to). I trust in safety and law that is designed for safety yes because here it has protected me through my youth so why would i think otherwise? Yes I see that people need to protect themselves but I do think people should be trained to be aware it is not a play thing to leave around unattended where little ones can misuse it or themselves doing so.

I do think the use of cameras available everywhere is very beneficial and I do not trust police either. Some are good but you can never tell which ones are. I do think their training procedure needs to be analyzed and I also believe they should be held accountable case by case for when they have used unnecessary force.

I think it is ok if it is for our safety. That is the kind of world i have lived in (us kiwi millennials by the sounds of things have been more protected than American millies on average) and by the govt). I would not go along with giving them more power if it was for something corrupt or too invasive. If it is for our safety I see no harm. Seems to work out well here.

Of course crims will not go by the law. I did address that I was aware of that. I am not talking about them though. Just the average gun owner and the standards they should go by. I see no harm in them taking a simple training session.

I was just stating how it was with the NRA but it doesn't have to be them, there is no legal requirement.  If they didn't then someone else would.  In my case it was my parents that taught me how to use firearms safely.  This is also very common.  Think of it as an example of how a society based on voluntary relationships would work.  It isn't utopia but its probably the best that can be done in a defective universe.