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2T Vs. 3T pop culture
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(07-08-2016, 11:38 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(07-01-2016, 02:58 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(07-01-2016, 11:33 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm not going to argue with with Taramarie. You are free to think anything you wish about me.

I go by what i see repetitively in your comments. If i saw evidence to the contrary i would mention that too. I like that you are open to other music and new music. Not all older folk are. You are open minded to the supernatural....not sure if from experience like me and i am grateful for that as some are totally closed off to it. For good reason sometimes also due to not experiencing it. You are calm where i am hot headed. Hey look i can admit my flaws but that is the difference between us. One of the differences anyway.

That is a calmer post from you; good. Still inaccurate though. I do not "bash all 3T music." I have repeatedly mentioned the qualifications to my opinion. That means I think there is some good music (including even some good American pop music) created in the 3T period. Just that, as a whole, American 3T pop (circa 1985-2009) is not as good as in other periods. That is my opinion as a would-be music critic and as a writer and musician. I see evidence that the rest of the anglo-sphere as well as Europe and perhaps elsewhere produced better pop music in this period. How many of your 3T pop favorites come from outside the USA, or from New Zealand?

I am obviously not very good at communicating about music, or my preferences and opinions about it. And I have strong feelings about it. It is hard to communicate about something that is not describable in words. But I don't tell other people what to listen to, and it's great that you enjoy whatever music you enjoy. All music has a magic to it that can stir the soul, as John Sebastian and the Lovin' Spoonful said.

Remember, some of the best music ever created in my opinion was made by a man from New Zealand in the 3T years. You can see one example of his work in the best songs ever thread near the start when I was covering the 3T music that I liked.

In the 1963-73 period especially, and sometimes in the years just before and after, popular music went through a period where it strived to be artistic, and achieved it. Much attention was given to the instrumental arrangements, and expert studio musicians were employed. Songwriters started recording their own music. Poets like Bob Dylan had pop hits. Influences from folk music, classical music and world music came in, and the psychedelic culture added a strong mystical experience into the music that is not present in other periods. New instruments like the electric guitar and electronic organ were explored, and British rock bands roared to the top. Commercial radio stations were open to this music, and not purely focused on making money or concentrated in ownership monopolies. Professional DJs were genuinely interested in the music, and were allowed to choose it at times and make comments about it pro and con, and even announce what the songs were. These are the main reasons why the 2T popular music reached a peak of excellence that went away in the years that followed. Also, much of the pop music of those years was created by an artist generation, according to Strauss and Howe, and especially by the war baby/boomer cusp cohorts, which featured a visionary aspect between visionary planets in their horoscopes, the Uranus-Neptune trine, which has historically corresponded to times when groups of great artists are born.

Meanwhile though, in the 1970s mainstream AM pop music reverted to its usual commercial ways of appealing to the lowest common denominator of taste, and so we got bubble-gum music of the Donny Osmond school, which was followed in the mid 70s by the Disco Duck and other disco trifles. Even though I was still a young boomer, and this was boomer youth music, I did not like it. In the early 1970s the art rock shifted to FM radio stations that focused on this genre, called album-oriented rock. In the later 70s this field too declined and became more commercial. By the 80s the sensitive, visionary, psychedelic element in FM rock had mostly disappeared and left mainly the increasingly loud, brash, boisterous element. The New Wave was an interesting relief from disco and declining boomer rock, but it was not good enough in my experience to get me too involved in it.

Nor did I care much for a lot of the 1T pop that preceded the core 2T Awakening years, although I learned to like some of the tunes later as oldies but goodies. But I was already a young kid and a teenager in those years, and I did not listen to it just because my peers were listening to it. So contrary to what people might say, I did not choose my music based on my age at the time, or what I thought was cool that the other kids were listening to. Before and after the core 2T, I listened to classical music, and learned to play it too. I always listen to what I like, regardless of my age or what is fashionable.
Many from England. A few from in NZ and then there is Roxette. I think they are Swedish. Enya would be another. She is Irish. This is off the top of my groggy head. I will post up foreign (to am American) music here when I am more alert. Just woke up. This will include kiwi music. I suppose as NZ music was mentioned best time now would be to share some. I am curious which kiwi you are talking about.

Ok so this is good from what I can see. You are sort of now being objective when talking about music. That adds qualification to why you have these opinions. THIS is what I have been looking for. Like when i discuss art. Personally I prefer the art of the Romantics period which strove for idealistic, highly detailed and atmospheric design. They put a lot of work into the paintings and their skills are amazing. On top of it the work tells a story. But I do know that that is just my personal opinion. I do not much care for splatter art as it seems very vague and shows no skill from what I can gather. I do not see a story or message being conveyed.

Maybe there was a reason why loud brash music came into fashion. What was going on at the time to set this emotion off? What are the messages behind the loud brash music? Possibly the sound and appearance are all to enhance the subject matter of the song? It is like a painting. Think of a style and what it is showing to enhance the message visually (for music this would also include audio). Music has a certain style that is a giveaway to what genre it is like a painting tells you the same. History changes the style so there will be reason why music suddenly became angry and frustrated. What was going on in history to change the tone and appearance and why did it click with the youth at the time? Why did they understand it in a way that older and us younger folk could not understand? This is why even though personally i do not like a lot of that music (although i have my few bands), I listen to what others get out of it as i may have missed something. There is usually meaning behind madness when it comes to art. The message was there for those who had ears to hear it and understand it.
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2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-20-2016, 11:23 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 08:00 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by pbrower2a - 06-22-2016, 10:39 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 11:21 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 11:34 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 11:43 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by pbrower2a - 06-23-2016, 09:07 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 11:28 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 11:38 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-23-2016, 09:47 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-23-2016, 02:44 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-23-2016, 09:52 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-23-2016, 04:15 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-23-2016, 04:34 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-23-2016, 04:38 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-28-2016, 01:31 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 02:03 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 02:11 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Galen - 06-28-2016, 02:12 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 02:18 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-28-2016, 10:11 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 02:26 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 02:28 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-28-2016, 10:13 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 04:15 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-28-2016, 04:30 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 04:52 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 05:07 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Ragnarök_62 - 06-28-2016, 07:16 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 07:44 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 11:36 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 05:14 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-28-2016, 05:16 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 05:26 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 05:31 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-28-2016, 05:30 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-28-2016, 05:33 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 06-29-2016, 01:12 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 06-29-2016, 01:27 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 07-01-2016, 11:23 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 07-01-2016, 11:33 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 07-01-2016, 02:58 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 07-08-2016, 11:38 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 07-08-2016, 04:04 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 07-08-2016, 04:51 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 07-08-2016, 06:30 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 07-08-2016, 06:39 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 07-08-2016, 06:46 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 08-03-2016, 01:53 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-03-2016, 02:06 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-03-2016, 02:17 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-03-2016, 02:29 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-03-2016, 02:40 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-03-2016, 02:49 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by gabrielle - 08-05-2016, 12:20 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-05-2016, 12:48 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 08-03-2016, 06:22 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-03-2016, 08:08 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by MillsT_98 - 08-03-2016, 11:35 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 12:29 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by MillsT_98 - 08-04-2016, 01:43 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 01:47 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by MillsT_98 - 08-04-2016, 01:53 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 01:55 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 08-03-2016, 11:26 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-03-2016, 11:38 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by MillsT_98 - 08-03-2016, 11:48 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 08-03-2016, 11:52 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 12:33 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 08-03-2016, 11:55 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 01:54 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by MillsT_98 - 08-04-2016, 06:04 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 07:45 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 02:13 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by MillsT_98 - 08-04-2016, 06:06 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by taramarie - 08-04-2016, 07:31 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 08-05-2016, 12:40 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 08-11-2016, 04:52 PM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Eric the Green - 10-04-2016, 01:20 AM
RE: 2T Vs. 3T pop culture - by Ragnarök_62 - 10-04-2016, 02:16 AM
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RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Ragnarök_62 - 06-21-2016, 05:23 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-21-2016, 11:10 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Ragnarök_62 - 06-21-2016, 11:24 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 12:10 AM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 12:54 AM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 12:59 AM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 01:01 AM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Ragnarök_62 - 06-22-2016, 12:22 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 12:27 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 02:35 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 03:19 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 03:38 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 03:47 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 03:52 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 04:02 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 04:28 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by Eric the Green - 06-22-2016, 05:00 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 05:06 PM
RE: Debate about Gun Control - by taramarie - 06-22-2016, 05:07 PM

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