(11-11-2016, 10:21 PM)taramarie Wrote:(11-11-2016, 09:56 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:I would have to disagree with you there, That unfortunately is not happening. How do I know? I have been labeled a racist or at the very least racist enabler by a lefty who did not even know me. I was simply just being respectful and listening to both sides (left/right wing). I was immediately shot down and labeled. I had not said a word that was remotely racist. I am as progressive as they come when it comes to equality. I am a promoter of it. I grew up with a culture that went out of its way to celebrate and mix cultures. So no it is not just racists and sexists being labeled. All you have to do in some cases is just show any sign you are not totally with the group and bam SEXIST RACIST DEPLORABLE! That is why I have mentioned there is some tribalism going on.(11-11-2016, 09:06 PM)Odin Wrote:(11-11-2016, 05:08 PM)Galen Wrote:(11-11-2016, 02:24 PM)taramarie Wrote: Self reflection of damaging behaviour that helps with dividing people and the nation as a whole. Correcting it. Listen more and try to understand these people and find a solution together. But first and foremost how we converse with each other is number one. Shoot down labels need to stop.
The left has been demonizing white people, white men in particular, by calling them racist,sexist and anything else they could think of even when it was unwarranted. Keep it up and you are going to have even bigger problems because the reservoirs of white guilt are not bottomless. This is what the kiwi has been trying to warn you idiots about.
You are vastly overgeneralizing, here. The "SJW" types are only a small minority of "the left", they just happen to be extremely vocal.
I'd agree with Odin. It's only the racisst and sexists that are being called racist and sexist. However, the racists and sexists seem to be seeing things in "you are with us or against us" mode. If one calls a racist a racist, they somehow perceive this as all whites being called racists. This is just an illustration of how an extreme partisan world view can carry one entirely clear of reality.
As well as agreeing that the extreme SJW types are a small minority on the blue side, not everyone on the red side ought to be dumped in with the racists and sexists. There is an element of stereotypical thinking, where all people on the other side are perceived of as being alike. Thus, if somebody burns down a black church and spray paints 'Vote Trump' on the side, the blame might be assigned to all Republicans. The entire Republican party wasn't at that church.
The extreme partisans are going to be screaming at their opposite extreme partisans, but an awful lot of folks aren't screaming and should not be being screamed at.
Racism is not a collective fault; it is a personal fault. So it is with another vice like alcoholism. Just because one recognizes a racist in Podunk a racist and so calls him does not mean that everyone in Podunk is a racist.
America is going from a land of assimilation, cultural at the least if not ethnic, to an unwieldy mosaic of tribal enclaves. based upon ethnicity and religion. The 2016 election is drawing the lines, and the lines are often very obvious, as between middle-class blacks and poor whites. Maybe I am a freak, but I identify more easily with the non-white parts of the middle class than I do with certain white subcultures.
Much of it is religious in nature. I am finding that one of the most reliable determiners of where one is on some core issues of the Religious Right -- abortion, same-sex marriage, school prayer, and the debate between creationism and evolution. It would seem that those in the Religious Right believe that they must vote for any nominee who promises to end abortion, same-sex marriage, and the teaching of evolution while forcing (fundamentalist) school prayer into the classroom no matter how horrible that nominee is on other issues. That nominee could promise to turn millions into serfs and get their votes. So how do people believe such?
As I see it, the fundamentalist believes that the sole purpose of life is to prepare for the judgment of a harsh and unforgiving God. To vote for someone who supports abortion or same-sex marriage because such has been decided by the Constitution is thus to be just as evil as someone who commits a mass killing and just as damned by an intolerant God. (Just think of the lack of proportionality!). The fundamentalist must sacrifice his economic interests and those of family members to that end. Higher waves? Worthless in Hell! Better schools? If they lead one into the ways of wickedness then they might as well not exist. So suffer in This World for rewards in the Afterlife.
Such people voted heavily for a fascist America, an entity certain to have more deaths from workplace accidents and almost as certain to start aggressive warfare that creates mass death.
This said, I cannot suffer an ideology that considers mass suffering for the indulgence of an economic elite in any way conscionable. If I cannot oppose such as a liberal, then I might become by default a Marxist.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.