Presidential election, 2016

[Warren Dew]

(11-28-2016, 01:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-28-2016, 12:19 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(11-28-2016, 09:41 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(11-28-2016, 07:03 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Hmm.  Trump is now claiming to have won the popular vote, or he would have if not for voter fraud.

I'm used to politicians stretching truth during the campaign, though Trump seems to have taken it to new levels.  There has been a need for fact checkers.  As a president elect / president does he think he can govern through the same style of blatant lies he used during the campaign?  Can he be "leader of the free world" when he has utterly destroyed his credibility?

Trump never had any credibility with you the left,  anyway.  The right recognizes that states like California, with no enforceable requirement for proof of citizenship in the registration or voting process, likely have many illegal immigrants voting, possibly in the millions given the ruling Democratic party's interest in having illegal aliens vote.  The center also recognizes that Trump's claim here is far more credible than the claims on the left about mass hacking of voting machines by the Russian government.

So, you're saying California does not require proof of citizenship to register to vote?  And proof of registration at the polls?

It's mostly an honor system. One states that one is a citizen of a certain age  and a resident of te community in which one expects to vote, false statements constituting perjury.

Most Americans do not have proof of citizenship. Few of us are naturalized citizens who might have scrapes with legal authorities that require proof of citizenship. We do not have internal passports.

The benefits for voting illegally are slight in contrast to the consequences. It is far more tempting to make false statements on an application for a loan. There is much more credit fraud than there is voting fraud.

A birth certificate showing birth in the U.S. or a U.S. citizen parent is proof of citizenship, and most U.S. citizens have that or can get it without too much trouble. Naturalized citizens should have naturalization papers.

Most illegal registrations likely occur in registration drives where it's not explained clearly to the individual that he or she needs to be a citizen.