Presidential election, 2016

[Eric the Green]

(12-10-2016, 02:16 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-09-2016, 05:47 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-09-2016, 05:25 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-09-2016, 04:46 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-06-2016, 04:57 PM)David Horn Wrote: So your right to protect yourself, in the unlikely event you need to do so, means the rest of us have to be concerned about you.  If you are afraid of the boogieman to the extent that you need to go around armed at all times, how do you think we feel having to interact with you and your arms?  How much of a walking breathing hair trigger are you?  How can we know?

Life isn't that scary, but folks like you manage to make it worse.

Indeed; pretty scary. I am wary right now of the places where those folks live. They expressed their anger and fear peacefully at the polls, with likely very unfortunate results. How else can they express it?

You folks on the left are way too paranoid.  The more law abiding gun owners there are in my neighborhood, the less crime, and the safer I feel.

And you and I live in different realities. I know in my California Silicon Valley neighborhood, there are few if any guns around, and even fewer crazy nuts permitted to have them, and I know that the fewer guns there are, the less crime, and the safer I feel.

For you libertarians, violence is the answer, although you loudly insist that the non-coercion principle is the answer. But your beliefs are phony and deceptive. Your phony philosophy is the worst deception ever pulled on the American people. It is the biggest BIG LIE of our times.

You don't see the guns but I'm sure there's lots of them around you. Libertarians value self defense, recognize an individuals right to defend them self and aren't opposed to the use violence for self defense. I've told you many times and pointed out to you many times, if liberals do this and support that then libertarians will begin do this and support that as a consequence for your actions. You don't want to do something stupid or be associated with stupid stuff that turns the libertarians against you. Libertarians are the protectors/defenders of your freedoms. Your freedoms are extension of their freedoms. You don't seem to know/grasp how aggressive your side has been acting and comes across to others. I'm not concerned about you personally or scared of you personally. I've already determined long ago that I'm more than able to defeat you one on one, if/when it ever becomes necessary.

I wish I could understand you guys from Trumpland a little better. I wonder if there's something more in your minds than just deceptive ideas and fears. What could make you this way? I don't know.

I certainly don't feel protected by libertarians, particularly not because they preserve my freedom to own a gun. There is no need for self-defense with a gun except in a thoroughly barbarous and violent world. Since I don't inhabit that world, and never have in my over 60 years, I have no need for that type of self-defense. Yet you say if I went to your neighborhood, I wouldn't see your guns. Even though it's an open carry state. But underneath the hidden guns, since you feel the need for them, there must be a strong and dangerous undercurrent of violence. If that weren't so, why the need for defense?

I'm sure you could defeat me one on one with your gun. But even Hamilton's duel with Burr was illegal, and he was almost charged with murder. I doubt you really want to go down that road. There is no need to be afraid of people like me on any level, or for you to be mad at us or turn against us.

You guys are the ones threatening us. Libertarians don't protect me; they threaten me. You want to take away our precious beaches and forests. Nature is what sustains our bodies and our spirits. It is truly a danger that you want to destroy it. If you claim that you don't, then you don't understand how your votes and your views do just that. You don't see who Trump is appointing at all, or what it means. I am a Green. What I see that needs protecting, is not my liberty to own a gun or pay less taxes to freeloaders. It is Nature that needs protecting, and the opportunity for all people to have a decent life. And you want to take away the social security and medicare from me and others, that I paid for.

You can afford to pay a bit more in taxes, if you earn enough money to afford this. That is no threat to you. Poor people getting help is no threat to you. We aren't going to take your guns away from you by force as long as you really feel you want them. I only seek to persuade folks like you that you don't need them. That is no threat to you.