Presidential election, 2016

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-30-2016, 06:51 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-30-2016, 06:25 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-30-2016, 05:22 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-30-2016, 01:58 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't want to do stuff to knock you down economically as I'd likely be knocking myself down in the process.

And yet you just said you were happy about policies that knocked me down economically.  Granted they didn't knock you down, you being retired and all.  That makes it pretty clear where you stand.

No.  It might seem clear in your mind, but you seem incapable of comprehending values outside of your world view.

Oh, I understand your world view perfectly.  I also understand that as one of those extreme partisans you keep talking about, you're incapable of understanding mine.

And I understand that you engage in serious self deception, as do most on the blue side.  You actually flat out said you didn't care about a change being bad for me, and you flat out said that you thought you'd oppose changes that would be bad for me only because they were likely to be bad for you too.  But now you're trying to pretend to yourself that you said something different, without actually taking back the words that you're pretending you no longer agree with.

No, you seem still to be clinging to the idea that I favor health care because it would hurt software contractors.  There can be more than one reason to favor a given policy.  To me, Freedom from Want is far more important a base principle than any (non extant) desire to hurt software contractors.  Yes, in addition to base progressive principles, doing stuff that would hurt one's self is bad too.  However, I favored Freedom from Want long before I learned that software contractors might be forced to seek full time employment.  I would still support Freedom from Want had you never mentioned (gasp) that you had to get a job.  (Poor baby.)

I also note you are forcing the conversation back to my motivations rather than showing any interest in talking policy.  Granted, you are far more polite about it than usual, but it's still a common ploy among extreme partisans to move from discussion of policy to personal attack.  That's not what I'm here for.  I'd as soon skip that part of the discussion.  Still, if you continue to try to present yourself as an expert on how I think, I'll continue to pop your pretenses.

Can you acknowledge that the Four Freedoms are a ligitimate base for progressive thought, that food, shelter, health care and a path to a secure retirement can be described as basics, and that pursing these things for all can be a healthy and defendable basis for a political philosophy?  Can you understand that these are more important to me than my (non extant) hatred of software contractors?

Or must you continue to twist my words in order to better defend your rigid stereotypical thinking?  Can you accept that your vile stereotype of me, which is compatible with your world view, might not be as valid as my description of Progressive Thought 101, which is not compatible with your world view?