Presidential election, 2016

[Eric the Green]

(01-10-2017, 01:34 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 11:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 06:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 03:36 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 02:18 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Hey Eric I think you are a bit off in your concept of Neo Liberalism. According to the accepted political and academic definition, many Democratic politicians are also considered Neo Liberals. In general it's a Centrist arena albeit one that promotes a light touch of government in terms of managing the economy. It was a type of "fine tuning" of the classic New Deal mixed economy model. Think the DLC. On the GOP side, think "Establishment Republicans." It sought to tweak it without throwing it out completely.

I have my own critique of Neo Liberalism due to its naive outlook regarding the ways that certain geopolitical actors exploit the West's blind faith in Neo Liberalism's reputed ability to supposedly prevent Great War (e.g. by fostering economic friendly competition). Those geopolitical actors meanwhile prepare for Great War.

What Eric really objects to is classical liberalism, which does mean he and I are almost diametrically opposed.  I think he's purposely obfuscating the differences between classical liberalism and neoliberalism because he actually approves of those parts of neoliberalism that aren't part of classical liberalism.

I get the impression that he's not a fan of all the individual freedoms and constitutional rights and protections that we represent and often find ourselves defending here.

As usual you seem particularly amazing in your ability to get the wrong ideas about me. Of course I am for individual freedoms; that's why I oppose all of Trump's appointments and his repressive slogans.

But you neo-liberal conservatives seem to think that individual freedom boils down to gun rights. You seem to think that this "right" of anyone to have a quick and easy means to kill people, along with the "right" of business to exploit and cheat others, is what "individual freedom" is. But that's Orwellian doublespeak, but that fits the totalitarian people that you are, Classic Xer. Or, at least, authoritarian (I don't want to exaggerate   )

I've never exploited or cheated an employee. I don't like the employers who do. I don't exploit or cheat people in general. I've never made a serious attempt to shut you down or remove you in any way. I've never filed a complaint with a moderator. I've already shown you my ability to handle anything you've said to me directly or indirectly via nasty comments about my political association. You're not going to hurt me by slamming Republicans or slamming a Republican president. I'm not as emotionally attached and I don't place as much value on/trust in politicians as the Democrats and the progressives do. An obvious weakness that one could easily exploit. You love your individual freedoms but you hate ours and probably wouldn't care if our individual freedoms were removed. BTW, you aren't alone in your failure to recruit me. There's a pretty long list of past and present progressives who have failed to recruit me.

I'm sure it's a venerable and admirable list

There are no such things as "yours" and "mine" individual freedoms; only true and false ones. Yes, I place importance on the policies and politicians you favor. Like Danilynn, you need to realize that my critique of them is not an attack on your personal behavior; I know nothing about that other than what you tell me, FWIW.