01-12-2017, 05:35 PM
(01-12-2017, 10:18 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(01-12-2017, 07:39 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:(01-12-2017, 03:05 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(01-12-2017, 02:52 AM)taramarie Wrote: Myers Briggs helps to see what people may be more inclined to find important to them as well as their strengths and weaknesses. Culture/art is important to me as an ISFP and it is due to the way I think that makes it my strength. Probably not wise to consider others stupid when they may just simply think differently. Look at the car model (cognitive functions) for reference.
Just an afterthought from the end of Bob's post.
Good observation. Another angle to look at things from.
A bit ago Warren tried to peg me as emotional in my perspective. While I'm no Vulcan, I test out as INTP, the engineer - scientist archetype. If he continues to try to read my stuff as emotion based, he'll continue to be unable to comprehend it. I'm no Feeler.
Throwing about your distortions of my positions again, I see. "Cultural" is not the same as "emotional", and it was you, not me, who first said you thought people's viewpoints were controlled by the cultural background.
(01-09-2017, 03:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: I don't think "all the rest of" you are just going by your feelings; I only think that, now, of Bob since he basically said that's how he operates.
At some point somebody flip flopped my position. Yes, I see cultures as important. However, again, I will use the word 'culture' in referring to many types of thought systems... religious, political, scientific, economic, regional, racial, whatever. Different things are important to different people. Quite often this leads to premises of how the world works that an individual cannot question or perceive of as false. There are also blind spots, really bogus 'factual' assumptions that must be maintained lest an individuals basic premises become unsustainable. I find it interesting to watch conversations break down in such a way that somebody's blind spot is clearly engaged.
I notice you carefully cherry picked by snipping the context for my second quote. With context:
(01-09-2017, 03:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(01-09-2017, 08:28 AM)Odin Wrote:(01-09-2017, 01:27 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:(01-08-2017, 07:32 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I like to think my own way of looking at the world is well thought out, logical, based on lessons from history, common sense and developed on reasonable teachings of my culture. I also like to think that everybody thinks their values are such, well thought out, logical, based on lessons from history, common sense and developed on reasonable teachings of their cultures.
Your mistake is in assuming it's all about culture for everyone, just because it happens to be so for you. In fact, most of the conservatives here are libertarian leaning, and base our reasoning not on culture but on facts and proven economic theory. Assuming that it's a clash of cultures may be why you go wrong so much.
I find it hilarious when Libertarians think they and only they have "facts" and "proven economic theory" and think all the rest of us are just going by our feels, it reeks of projection, and Libertarians tend to be exactly the kind of technically-oriented types that have little self-awareness of their own feelings and THINK they are super-logical and rational.
I don't think "all the rest of" you are just going by your feelings; I only think that, now, of Bob since he basically said that's how he operates. I judge each person individually, which is part of that libertarian preference for facts and logic.
You said culture, I said culture, Odin used the phrase "going by ... feels" for culture, and I responded to Odin using his terminology, since using the other person's terminology can often help with communication.
If you were actually concerned about that characterization of your position, you would take it up with Odin. But no, you'd rather snip context to try to mischaracterize my position and win an argument with me. Typical.