Presidential election, 2016

[Odin]

(01-12-2017, 12:25 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-12-2017, 07:54 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-12-2017, 03:05 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-12-2017, 02:52 AM)taramarie Wrote: Myers Briggs helps to see what people may be more inclined to find important to them as well as their strengths and weaknesses. Culture/art is important to me as an ISFP and it is due to the way I think that makes it my strength. Probably not wise to consider others stupid when they may just simply think differently. Look at the car model (cognitive functions) for reference.

Just an afterthought from the end of Bob's post.

Good observation.  Another angle to look at things from.

A bit ago Warren tried to peg me as emotional in my perspective.  While I'm no Vulcan, I test out as INTP, the engineer - scientist archetype.  If he continues to try to read my stuff as emotion based, he'll continue to be unable to comprehend it.  I'm no Feeler.

To be perfectly fair, thinking-dominant types (INTP, ISTP, ENTJ, ESTJ) can actually be very irrational and not realize it because they tend to be in denial of and repress their Feeling, which then comes out in ways which are unconscious. The techie who thinks he is super-rational and logical and is completely unaware of his own emotionally-driven assumptions has become a common stereotype.

I have considerable respect for reason, logic, math and similar systems.  However, garbage in garbage out.  If one starts with an assumption that the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is factual, logic and reason can take you all sorts of awful places.  Marx made all sorts of wonderful observations about the capitalist system, but assumed somewhere along the line that replacing one elite ruling class with another would solve the problem of a too powerful elite ruling class.  Hey, I'm awfully fond of Thomas Jefferson's self-evident truths, but I try to remember that any set of basic premises that underly a political, religious or economic system can lead one far astray if one doesn't double check one's premises and logic against reality regularly.

To me the problem is when people's nice, neat "logical", "rational" ideas start getting in the way of the lives of actual human beings. Libertarians and doctrinaire Marxist-Leninists are good examples of this. Architects, urban planners, and sociologists with grand plans of utopian social engineering also run into this problem, it's one of the reasons the GIs Great Society projects went off the rails.