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Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure
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(02-10-2018, 05:28 PM)bobc Wrote:
(02-10-2018, 01:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The militia clause could preclude people from having firearms if those people are unsuited due to moral turpitude, disloyalty, idiocy, or insanity. Thus "but not criminals", "but not the insane", "but not addicts", and "but not people with intellectual impairment" would be reasonable and minimal qualifications to any right to bear arms.

Such a compromise is not going to happen in this Fourth Turning, because so many on the left are against the fundamental right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of dissuading government over-reach. That is why they want to eliminate effective military weapons from civilian control, but aren't so focused on the weapons used by gangs for most of the gun crime in the US. It is also behind the focus on disarming veterans "victims of PTSD", the people best able to lead a civilian insurgency. In this kind of atmosphere any "common-sense" proposal is only a step towards civilian disarmament, and will not only be opposed, but will trigger a civil war.

Compromise is another era's business. This era, the choice is leave it alone or fight to the death.

I don't know where folks like you bobc get these ideas, or how you figure that you are supporting anything righteous or virtuous or that benefits the people. Some people on the extreme Left, if anything, agree with you that the people should have arms to protect themselves against the government. That's what the Black Panthers and their successors want, for example. Most liberal Americans today, on the other hand, and some conservatives too, want gun regulations because of the extreme, rampant gun violence in our society that takes many innocent lives. You don't seem to comprehend how people might be concerned about this. Why is that?

People on the Left today want the police to be less militarized; to stop Trump and the rest of the people of his dictatorial ilk from supplying police departments with left-over military weapons. And the Left is concerned about weapons proliferation among gangs too. 

Gun control may well trigger a civil war, but it will be unnecessary, and entirely the fault of folks who think and feel as you do. And you will be defeated, and suffer many lives lost. If you want to have a violent revolution, what you need to realize is that armed civilians will NOT be able to pull off a revolution or win a civil war. It will take another organized state just like the one you oppose to accomplish this, and the result of your rebellion will be to just establish another state. That was the case during the previous American civil war rebellion, which was waged by the same kind of folks that you support today. For that matter, the original American Revolution established the USA that we know today. Meet the new boss: same as the old boss.
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Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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RE: Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure - by Eric the Green - 02-10-2018, 07:06 PM

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