Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

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(02-22-2018, 07:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-22-2018, 03:47 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Yes, we need to do something about mental illness. And Mr. Trump, if you don't want to do something, you are obviously mentally hill. Hey, can Jimmy Kimmel speak to you guys, Classic Xer?





I know there's not going to be a total ban, but it's a very good meme anyway:

It didn't seem like Jimmy Kimmel knew that the shooter had passed a back ground check prior to purchasing the firearm that he used to slaughter the unarmed kids. He came across as clueless or uninformed to me. Jimmy Kimmel doesn't speak to me. Jimmy Kimmel largely speaks to blues in his audience and to blues abroad  for a living. Jimmy Kimmel could speak to me. I wouldn't automatically tune him out and dismiss him as being irrelevant like most blues.

I realize that there are people with more affection for their guns than some people have for family pets or even for their helpless children. For them, separation of beloved firearms from them would be cause for mourning. At that Jimmy Kimmel is indeed clueless. But I am clueless about some things that people do, like behavior destructive at first toward innocent people and then leading to disastrous consequences to the perpetrator.

On the other side I have no desire to understand a pervert like Larry Nasser, former disgraced physician to the US Olympic Gymnastic team who is now simply a jailbird. I have no desire to understand why a concentration camp official in the ultra-depraved Third Reich could decide that if the camp ran out of cyanide pellets as a batch of condemned children came that he could have those children cast directly into the crematoria to be incinerated alive. I have no desire to understand why Ernst Kaltenbrunner could initial one after another orders to commit horrific crimes in the closest thing to Hell that Humanity has ever known.

I understand human decency which depends on certain norms of behavior. Can those norms change? Sure. I used to think homosexuality absurd and inexcusable. After being gay-bashed, I had to accept that in a good world, people must accept homosexuality that they do not fully understand and reject homophobia. I came to accept that anything that promoted the acceptance of homosexuality so long as it does not involve something that I cannot justify on any moral ground (messing with children), I could be at peace with it because such makes my world, in which law and order is essential to giving meaning to rule of law and civil liberties, far surer.

Quote:I bet Bob (Whig) and I (independent Republican voter) could strike a deal that would ban bumper stocks, increase the age to purchase an AR-15 to 21 and limit the size/capacity of clips. I don't think we need background checks because we already have back ground checks. As I've told clueless blues many times, I haven't bought a gun without passing a background check prior to purchasing one  for over thirty years. It's pretty clear to me that the background checks that clueless blues promote as if they do not exist in today's world failed to prevent the slaughter that took place in that high school.

How far will a liberal meme like that one get you today?

That is a good, and necessary start. Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  After all, our current President has endorsed the consummate folly of arming teachers, most of whom need a focus on education and not on a firearm.  But this is someone who has no idea of what goes on in a public K-12 school, the norm for most American children but somehow inadequate for him as said his father by sending him off to private, if highly-expensive, private schools.

I'm not faulting those schools. Many who graduate from them become exemplary people. Donald Trump is a spectacular failure of that system.