Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Bob Butler 54]

(02-24-2018, 05:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 05:48 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 02:09 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The Founding Fathers were wise for their time, but we need remember that they lived in pre-industrial times. Commercial, yes, but also pre-industrial. They had no clue about Big Business, the first Big Business being formed as such (DuPont) was founded in 1802. They had no idea of railroads, telegraphs (let alone modern mas and personal communications). and -- most germane to the Second Amendment -- machine guns.

The Second Amendment arose in a time of flintlock rifles, weapons that would be completely useless as a defense against some meth fiend with his beloved Glock.

I agree the founding fathers had a different culture, but that culture is alive and well in red America.  You seem to want to change a contract when the blue want to change it.

It's quite different, just in the fact that the weapons are different as pbrower2a said. And red culture not only has all those big business industries and corporations in its midst, but red culture is the culture that supports their desire to exploit and control every one of us.

Blue culture is right; red culture is wrong and regressive. Blue culture needs to prevail over the red, at least well enough so that policies (or the "contract," in your words) are changed and the nation can progress again after our 40-year stall.

To the blue people...

Well, first, I must say on this issue I have flipped.  I grew up liberal, just south of Boston, and ate up the gun prohibition policies of those around me.  Never mind that is wasn't working.  That was the heyday of lead in gasoline.  The inhibitions against killing were low, resulting in a huge surge in violent crime which the oil and automobile industries are avoiding paying for.  On most issues I am as blue as you like, but here I have looked into it, and have seen how eager and ready folks are to allocate blame, to advocate one size fits all easy answers.

By race, most races fit nicely in the bell curve of the developed mostly European countries with different gun policies.  Black and on black crime are the exception.  Yet, the blue will blame the gun policies rather than working the race issue.  It's hypocrisy in action.  How do you divert attention from the real cause?   How do you expect to solve a problem if you are addressing the wrong cause?

The founding fathers mad it exceptionally difficult to change the Constitution.  It takes a supermajority of states to ratify amendments or the results of a constitutional convention.  Except when blue values are invoked?  I see the prudence of rule of law, of not letting part of the country dictate the values of another.  The Bill of Rights does just that.  It declares and enforces the basic values of the time.  I agree that these values should not be changed lightly.

I am at heart blue.  We live closely enough together to help one another.  Many problems I see as best solved be cooperating, by letting professionals handle things, and many times the government is the best agent for the People to act together.

But that doesn't mean I can't see the red perspective.  In some parts of the country, people are further apart.  If you want something done, you handle it yourself.  Self reliance is good.  The government can be seen as a threat.  It is best for people far away to stay far away and not meddle.  If the government is far enough away to be slow, you need the right equipment.  The founding fathers said they would have it.  The founding fathers were wise.  Hooray for the red, white and blue.

It is the far away strange people that have funny notions.