(03-18-2018, 03:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(03-18-2018, 10:18 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: No, blue/green is liberal. Everyone admits that. You are presenting a rather unconventional theory. Insulting me does not prove your point; sorry"Red America" today represents voter suppression, gerrymandering, collusion with foreign powers in elections, voting by race and appeals to xenophobia in a nation of immigrants, money-dominated politics and lobbying, banks being allowed to cheat customers, dirty and oppressive wars and detentions abroad that serve oil interests and kill thousands of innocent people, threats against newspapers and broadcasters, threats and laws against protesters, huge tax breaks to corporations and billionaires; you think this is "the flag, the Constitution, the American rule of law, the protection of American rights"? Or maybe you mean laws against burning the flag is "American"? Justice Scalia disagreed. No, it's constitutional. Your red "American" rights consist merely of symbolism, protection of the white and the rich, protection of moneyed interests, protection of the right to possess military weapons. NO thanks for that "America." The battle against it is well-known among Democrats.
Yes, blue/green is commonly associated with the term liberal. I'll agree with you and I'll add that's about the only thing that's liberal about you. You're a liberal green/blue and a left wing reactionary of some sort. Blues burn the flag because the flag has no meaning to blues and represents nothing of value to blues. The blues want their own flag because the American flag of old is viewed as tainted, as mean, as unjust or as whatever negative thought that some blues/greens have or use to turn people way from it. I'm not opposed to blues burning our flag or spouting out negatives or doing stupid shit either. I'm in favor of allowing AMERICA to see it and see all of it.
The last people that I saw burning an American flag in protest in America were neo-Nazis.
Here's my statement on burning the American flag as a form of protest:
Such a deed is an insult to two hundred hears of American political heritage. Forty-eight stars and thirteen stripes marched along with US troops into Dachau and Mauthausen, infamous Nazi concentration camps. The horrors that could stop did... of course many of the inmates were beyond any chance of survival. That is what the United States of America means at its absolute best. When MacArthur returned to Manila as he promised, Filipinos were glad to see that flag. With fifty stars, Old Glory meant freedom in southern Korea... and in Kuwait. Americans got to desecrate a statue of Saddam Hussein by rubbing the US flag upon its face... to much cheering at the time. (I may not like the measures that led to the second Gulf War, but I have no problem with the fate of Saddam Hussein and his fascist regime). Of course a flag with fewer stars implied that for those who had been slaves, slavery was over and emancipation was the law.
The United States flag went along with the struggle for the liberty and dignity of Southern blacks. Typically that flag went alone. The KKK preferred the Confederate flag, symbol of the military defense of slavery. You tell me who you think I consider the real patriots.
Burning our flag as a protest of current policies of the US government is a puerile, offensive act that does more to expose the sick expression of irrelevant sanctimony of the protester than the justice of one's cause. It's not the nation that is the problem; it is that the politicians (like Donald Trump) have fallen short of American ideals. If you despise President Trump, then by all means protest his policies, his behavior, and his incendiary rhetoric -- but leave the Flag alone. Indeed, fly the flag.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.