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Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure
(03-23-2018, 02:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The difference between guns and automobiles is clear. There are accidents that happen with all tools, just about. The purpose of a car is to get from one place to another. Accidents are incidental. The purpose of a gun is to kill someone. Fatal "accidents" are the result of using a gun every time (excepting practice, of course; but what are you practicing for?).

A burglar doesn't threaten your life per se, only your property. If the burglar is also a murderer, (s)he will be armed with something. Killing a burglar is taking the law into your hands instead of taking them to Court. It is illegal. If they threaten your life, or you have good cause to think that they do, then you have cause to use your gun. However, our point is that using the gun is dangerous and often useless. Having a gun is unsafe unless it is unloaded and locked up. Otherwise, kids or robbers can take it and use it, or murders can happen in fits of passion, mistakes, etc. But a locked and unloaded gun probably can't be used for self-defense in time. Other methods work better against burglars who are not armed, at least.

Your gun may work, but the result is a shootout in which you are at least as much at risk as the burglar. So, it's better to use other methods of defense even against robbers armed with guns. There are many other methods of defense, as I have pointed out. But since rural people think that calling the police is not an option, and wild animals threaten their farm animals, they still want to have their guns. Compromise on this is better for the time being. But that does not mean a farmer or rancher needs an AR-15 or some other semi-automatic with a large magazine.

Really, the only reason gun violence is higher in rural red states is because of so many guns around, and liberal carry laws. Otherwise, they have less crime than urban states. In 2nd-amendment America, the most-violent developed country in the world, and the country with by far the most guns per capita, the difference between red and blue states is clear. The facts are clear. More murders, suicides and gun violence happens in states and countries with permissive guns laws, than in states and countries with gun laws and bans.
As I've told you before, my guns were not purchased with the sole intent or for the sole purpose of using them to murder people or rob people or threaten ordinary decent people into doing things/accepting things/believing things they ordinarily wouldn't do, would not accept, would not believe or think of doing own their own.

Minnesota is largely related to gun country. Minnesota has liberal gun laws and liberal conceal and carry laws. Minnesota is blue state on the political map. Minnesota is run by Democratic blue dogs and right-libertarians. Right libertarians doesn't have an issue with conservative Christian people or Christian beliefs. Right libertarian doesn't have an issue with legal gun owners/gun ownership or the idea of having legal gun owners within society or issues with the 2nd Amendment.
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RE: Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure - by Classic-Xer - 03-23-2018, 07:28 PM

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