03-23-2018, 09:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-23-2018, 11:23 PM by Classic-Xer.)
(03-23-2018, 02:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The difference between guns and automobiles is clear. There are accidents that happen with all tools, just about. The purpose of a car is to get from one place to another. Accidents are incidental. The purpose of a gun is to kill someone. Fatal "accidents" are the result of using a gun every time (excepting practice, of course; but what are you practicing for?).
A burglar doesn't threaten your life per se, only your property. If the burglar is also a murderer, (s)he will be armed with something. Killing a burglar is taking the law into your hands instead of taking them to Court. It is illegal. If they threaten your life, or you have good cause to think that they do, then you have cause to use your gun. However, our point is that using the gun is dangerous and often useless. Having a gun is unsafe unless it is unloaded and locked up. Otherwise, kids or robbers can take it and use it, or murders can happen in fits of passion, mistakes, etc. But a locked and unloaded gun probably can't be used for self-defense in time. Other methods work better against burglars who are not armed, at least.
Your gun may work, but the result is a shootout in which you are at least as much at risk as the burglar. So, it's better to use other methods of defense even against robbers armed with guns. There are many other methods of defense, as I have pointed out. But since rural people think that calling the police is not an option, and wild animals threaten their farm animals, they still want to have their guns. Compromise on this is better for the time being. But that does not mean a farmer or rancher needs an AR-15 or some other semi-automatic with a large magazine.
Really, the only reason gun violence is higher in rural red states is because of so many guns around, and liberal carry laws. Otherwise, they have less crime than urban states. In 2nd-amendment America, the most-violent developed country in the world, and the country with by far the most guns per capita, the difference between red and blue states is clear. The facts are clear. More murders, suicides and gun violence happens in states and countries with permissive guns laws, than in states and countries with gun laws and bans.
Gun accidents are as incidental as car accidents. The difference between the accident is one involves a gun and the other involves a car. The difference between a car and a gun is one is a tool and the other is a machine. The issue isn't legal firearms, the issue is criminals who are using firearms and governments inability to stop them from getting their hands on them. Why are liberals always ignoring the criminals and the governments inability to stop the flow of illegal guns and inability to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people like Mateen and the Florida school shooter.
Eric, if I were to get into a shootout with a criminal like Mateen, I'd be accepting the risk of being shot, the risk of being killed and the risk of harming someone else with a stray bullet. If the two of us were in the situation with Mateen, I wouldn't be listening to you because you'd be trying to escape or huddled in a corner or hiding under a table shaking and praying for your life or you'd already be dead or injured or in the process of being executed or remaining in an easy/ helpless position for being executed by Mateen. I don't know what your history is with armed cops and history with people who own guns. I just know that you seem to have issues with both of them.