03-24-2018, 05:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-24-2018, 05:22 PM by Classic-Xer.)
(03-24-2018, 02:12 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: For most of my career I worked around Route 128 and MIT, but for a while I was in Colorado Springs. They had so much open space, enough to abuse. Population density does effect how people think. What seems right in one place to one resident is very wrong elsewhere to another resident of somewhere else. The better educated one is, the more you see the results of a bunch of people living together, the more you see the consequences, the more you see the reality of many people in a small place.
I was first called a Whig on this web site. I was called so by Virgil Saari, who was emphatically not a Whig. In fact, he advocated the return of certain royal lines. What is a Whig these days? Other than long gone? We believe that progress is nigh on inevitable, and the direction if change is human rights, democracy and inclusiveness. Does that mean the opposition seeks to abuse others, to advance the 1%, to protect privileged positions? Yes and no. They cling to old privileged positions. They resist change. They seek to mess up other people's lives in order to improve their own.
I am sympathetic with the modern blue, but perhaps take a longer term perspective. The modern reds are heirs to monarchy, to slaveowners, to robber barons. They see nothing wrong with advancing their own cause at the expense of others. I see the ever increasing productivity and population as a solvable problem, but the gap between the haves and have nots must be looked at. You cannot be as blind to consequences as many reds seem to be.
I gained benefit from progress, and want to share a minimum amount of it with others. I am very aware of progress. I do not want to share lightly, or dismiss its importance. Global warming and the limits to expansion are real. So are reds with their heads in the sand. Ignoring problems and wishing for yesterday won't hack it in the long term, though clinging to the past may last the lifetimes of those living.
Al Gore was an heir to an old slave owner. Rockefeller was an heir to an old robber baron. Kennedy was an heir of an old bootlegger. Virgil Saari was an owner of a piece of land that had been passed on/down from generation to generation. I didn't speak with him much at the time. We both lived Minnesota and we only spoke about stuff going on in Minnesota at the time. I'm familiar with the area that he lived. As I recall, he was into selling cattle.
I'm not going to get into it with you on Global warming. I view global warming as an issue that's pretty much out of our control at this point. We can change some things now but whatever we do now will have little to no impact on the negative effects caused global warming. We've done our part. It's time for countries like India and China to do their part. China is pumping out raw coal fumes like we did during the 50- 60's and you're bitching at us like its our fault.